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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    sorry the constittional rights of individuals trumps the hysterics of the left.

    maybe we should have people divulge their 1040s before they could vote
    You don't think your income and taxes are accessible if you know where to look? Are you serious?

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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    I would not challenge the effectiveness of gun regulation toward preventing incidents like this from happening. Mentally unstable people tend to be socially dysfunctional to the point that even going into a store and purchasing an item - any store, or any item - can be a challenge. Going through the channels and making the (often evasive and shady) contacts which enable them to obtain the required weapons illegally is a greater challenge for them than for psychologically typical citizens. It would be like somebody who has never used drugs and who doesn't know anybody in the culture trying to buy marijuana, but much more difficult and dangerous.

    The people who don't buy guns commercially are the people who use them rationally; that is, crimes of "rational self-interest," in which not being caught by the police is a major factor. Such people are not likely to target crowds or politicians, which at the very least would cause the FBI to hammer down on them with all of its administrative and investigative strength.
    Good point. This idiot bought his gun and ammo legally as did the Virgina Tech shooter as did numerous other whack jobs including the prof that off her associates at the univeristy.

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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you seem confused-federal gun laws are the same in every state
    But not state laws. One of the problems I see in another industry I am involved in is the state laws are all over the place and they CAN be more stringent than Federal laws. Obviously you haven't been in Massachusetts.

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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    You don't think your income and taxes are accessible if you know where to look? Are you serious?
    Not legally.

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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I am simply amazed.

    Is ANYONE really stupid enough to belive that someone such as the individual in question would simply have abandoned his plans if he couldnt get a firearm? Has there been ANYTHING written that implies a magazine capacity ban would prevent this particular unstable individual from executing his rampage?

    This is pathetic and typical. Tragedy occurs...seize it and use it to advance your own political agenda.

    Should we deny a drivers license based on the same grounds? Should there be a national data base to prevent people with mental illness from purchasing sharp objects? Spray paint? Should we allow landlords access to that same database to be more selctive with who the rent to? EMployers to ensure they dont hire this type of individual and put their own employees at risk? Where does it stop? Or do you want those changes in law to ONLY apply to your particular political bent?

    The bodies arent even cold yet. Hell...they hadnt stopped bleeding before people started using it for political attacks...maybe you should give it a few days before you whore out the dead for your causes.
    Shame on you for insulting and exaggerating your case with nongermane examples. I'll bet you excused the death rate on 9/11 by comparing it to car accident numbers too. Baaaah.

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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Do you refer to a computer as a television ??? If not, why do you insist on calling an ammo magazine something its not?
    Because it's irrelevant to the topic.

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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Because it's irrelevant to the topic.
    Ahhh, so you think its irrelevant to the discussion of the Senator that was shot with a rifle ???

    Her title and what she was shot with is irrelevant, right ??

    Proper use of the terms is ALWAYS important.

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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    Fighting guns in the hands of criminals and morons is noble but realistically impossible.

    I am not in agreement with you usually but agree with you here that there would be the automatic knee jerk reaction to discuss gun control.

    Now, I am waiting for the automatic knee jerk reaction by a gun owner (which I am one) that if someone had a gun there the damage could have been shorten. That reaction I question. In this particular case if you had been there with a gun could you really have stopped the carnage. In a crowd like that I don't know about firing a shot. You would have to be point blank on him and what are the odds of that. And if you were up that close to him I think the best solution would have been the one taken by the man and woman who tackled him and disarmed him.

    I am still impressed with the unidentified woman who wrestled away his magazine from him. That states a lot about the power adrenaline gives you . That lady is a hero in my book.



    yes. I could, I could have at least done something to lessen the carnage.
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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    If you want the privledge of a weapon perhaps if you're nutjob yes. We already have background checks don't we? BTW I know a couple of people that carry permits and they are one oar shy of a boat. No criminal record though. I wouldn't want them around me with a gun.


    This tells me more about who you choose as friends than it says about us CCW holders. Just sayin kid..


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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    So what back at you. What difference does it make what it's called? 33 bullets is a lot freaking fire power especially when a coward goes ballistic (no pun intended) against defenseless civilians.



    that's about 4 seconds worth of firing


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    glock 19 has a 33 round magazine.
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