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    Re: Illinois Lawmakers Propose 75% Income Tax Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So explain to me how giving favorable financial or regulatory treatment to one company over other companies is not a violation of the Constitution given the Citizens United decision.

    Weather is not created by the government. Unfair tax breaks are. When my kids were teenagers they would say "duh" to a comment like this
    How do you define "tax breaks". If corporate taxes in state A are 5% and in state B 6% is state A giving a tax break. If so do we just find the highest state tax rate and use that across the board. Then we can go to health care costs which might be differnet due to state mandates and equalize them. How about insurance rates. Then why stop at states, why not make sure cities, or counties are all equalized. Let's also make sure that every school gets the same test scores lest we give an unfair advantage where people might want to locate for better schooling for their kids.

    I can't put into words what I think of this idea. Lest I want to get some infraction points.

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    Re: Illinois Lawmakers Propose 75% Income Tax Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh, so when some corrosive liberal "progressive" idea is passed and instituted, then we who think it unfair, must just live with it, is that right? No repeal, no recourse?

    Man you libs are totalitarian.


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    Re: Illinois Lawmakers Propose 75% Income Tax Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    How do you define "tax breaks". If corporate taxes in state A are 5% and in state B 6% is state A giving a tax break. If so do we just find the highest state tax rate and use that across the board. Then we can go to health care costs which might be differnet due to state mandates and equalize them. How about insurance rates. Then why stop at states, why not make sure cities, or counties are all equalized. Let's also make sure that every school gets the same test scores lest we give an unfair advantage where people might want to locate for better schooling for their kids.

    I can't put into words what I think of this idea. Lest I want to get some infraction points.
    What I am talking about is within a state - within the same state - where a state entices a company to come there and extends to them a tax break that other companies and other corporations and other employers operating in that same state DO NOT GET. That is the state picking winners and losers and is now a questionable and illegal practice in view of the the implications of the Citizens United case in which corporations are persons and have the same rights under the 14th Amendment equal protections clause of the US Constitution.
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    Re: Illinois Lawmakers Propose 75% Income Tax Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What I am talking about is within a state - within the same state - where a state entices a company to come there and extends to them a tax break that other companies and other corporations and other employers operating in that same state DO NOT GET. That is the state picking winners and losers and is now a questionable and illegal practice in view of the the implications of the Citizens United case in which corporations are persons and have the same rights under the 14th Amendment equal protections clause of the US Constitution.
    They are not picking winners and losers... they are getting more business into the state, creating more jobs, increasing tax revenue (even with the 'deal', it's still more tax revenue than the state would otherwise have had).

    The state gets money.
    the citizens get jobs.

    Win/win

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    Re: Illinois Lawmakers Propose 75% Income Tax Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Yet again, in your zeal to personally attack me, you have my position ass backwards. I have no problem with a state having lower tax rates as long as they are applied legally and within the equal protections clause of the 14th Amendment. And when the government can now clearly favor one corporation over the other that creates a situation where the rights of the unfavored company have been violated. Thank Citizens United for that.
    What you are talking about is done through tax credits, in order to qualify for the tax credit you have to meet some obligation (i.e. just moved your company to X state and hired x number of people).

    have you wondered why no one (maybe a rival business) wouldn't challenge this obviously (according to you) illegal act in a court of law?

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    Re: Illinois Lawmakers Propose 75% Income Tax Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    What you are talking about is done through tax credits, in order to qualify for the tax credit you have to meet some obligation (i.e. just moved your company to X state and hired x number of people).

    have you wondered why no one (maybe a rival business) wouldn't challenge this obviously (according to you) illegal act in a court of law?
    These things take time and I have little doubt that a challenge will occur. Look how long it took for the laws to be overturned from the Citizens United decision.

    But regardless of looking into the future, the case is there just the same and the policy is clearly an unfair and unequal application of the power of the state to pick winners and losers.
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    Re: Illinois Lawmakers Propose 75% Income Tax Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    They are not picking winners and losers... they are getting more business into the state, creating more jobs, increasing tax revenue (even with the 'deal', it's still more tax revenue than the state would otherwise have had).

    The state gets money.
    the citizens get jobs.

    Win/win
    Until some other state decides to sell their favors on the corner even cheaper when the selected tax breaks for the pet company expire down the road. So the first company got a free ride at taxpayer expense and are now waving their middle finger in a goodbye salute when they slink away to some other suitor who promises more.

    And in the meantime, other companies have to compete against governments pet and have a distinct disadvantage. Some system you got there. Adam Smith would roll over his his grave.
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    Re: Illinois Lawmakers Propose 75% Income Tax Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    These things take time and I have little doubt that a challenge will occur. Look how long it took for the laws to be overturned from the Citizens United decision.

    But regardless of looking into the future, the case is there just the same and the policy is clearly an unfair and unequal application of the power of the state to pick winners and losers.
    How did the court rule on all of those other tax credit challenges?

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    Re: Illinois Lawmakers Propose 75% Income Tax Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    How did the court rule on all of those other tax credit challenges?
    what other tax credit challenges.......?????

    do you have them to present?????

    Was that before or after the Citizens United decision expanded corporate rights?????
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    Re: Illinois Lawmakers Propose 75% Income Tax Hike

    God forbid you actually have a business that some day you hope to incorporate....considering how evil they must be and all....


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