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    Re: Illinois Lawmakers Propose 75% Income Tax Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I find your position interesting, but slippery. I'd like to debate you on it, but until you define it more clearly, I'm at a loss. Maybe next time.
    That is fine and I look forward to it.

    I do find it very ironic that conservatives generally take the position that government should NOT pick winners and losers in the economic arena but seem to be the biggest defenders of doing just that with tax breaks and other incentives that clearly place some companies on a very unfair plane and make it difficult to compete. Conservatives also tended to be the biggest supporters of the Citizens United decision and welcomed it but seem to not want to think through the implications for this issue.
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    Re: Illinois Lawmakers Propose 75% Income Tax Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If corporations are persons who have rights under the Constitution, then every corporation has the rights to equal protection of the law.

    Any law passed by a level of government which extends favored treatment to one corporation while failing to extend them to others is placing those unfavored corporations in a different class and treating them unequally.
    So, then using your argument, it is also illegal for Illinois residents to pay a different level of taxes then Florida residents. Essentially FL is incetivizing people to leave IL and move to FL.

    Likewise it is illegal for Lake county Illinois to charge their residents a lower tax rate then those in cook county Illinois. Lake County is incentivizing people to leave Cook and move to Lake.

    Lastly, it would seem to be illegal for a level of government to tax the rich and poor at different levels. Wouldn't it be more equal to charge them the same rate, rather then giving favored tax rate treatement to the poorer amongst us?

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    Re: Illinois Lawmakers Propose 75% Income Tax Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    So, then using your argument, it is also illegal for Illinois residents to pay a different level of taxes then Florida residents. Essentially FL is incetivizing people to leave IL and move to FL.

    Likewise it is illegal for Lake county Illinois to charge their residents a lower tax rate then those in cook county Illinois. Lake County is incentivizing people to leave Cook and move to Lake.

    Lastly, it would seem to be illegal for a level of government to tax the rich and poor at different levels. Wouldn't it be more equal to charge them the same rate, rather then giving favored tax rate treatement to the poorer amongst us?


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    Re: Illinois Lawmakers Propose 75% Income Tax Hike

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    Well done!
    Absolutely awesome post that is probably blowing haymarkets mind. Liberals don't want to be confused by posts like yours, buck. The silence will be deafening.

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    Re: Illinois Lawmakers Propose 75% Income Tax Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    So, then using your argument, it is also illegal for Illinois residents to pay a different level of taxes then Florida residents. Essentially FL is incetivizing people to leave IL and move to FL.

    Likewise it is illegal for Lake county Illinois to charge their residents a lower tax rate then those in cook county Illinois. Lake County is incentivizing people to leave Cook and move to Lake.

    Lastly, it would seem to be illegal for a level of government to tax the rich and poor at different levels. Wouldn't it be more equal to charge them the same rate, rather then giving favored tax rate treatement to the poorer amongst us?
    Not at all. As long as the taxes within the state or governmental area apply according to the law and are applied without preference favoring one individual over another or one company , then there is no problem with each state setting its own tax rates.

    As to different tax rates for different incomes, we settled that issue almost 100 years ago.

    This is not rocket science.

    If a state wants to lower corporate for all businesses - both existing or those that will move there - to create what they believe is a more favorable business climate - that is their right.
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    Re: Illinois Lawmakers Propose 75% Income Tax Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Absolutely awesome post that is probably blowing haymarkets mind. Liberals don't want to be confused by posts like yours, buck. The silence will be deafening.
    Silence lasted only while I took a shower. My mind was not blown - or even taxed. Its a simple question that requires a simple answer.
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    Re: Illinois Lawmakers Propose 75% Income Tax Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Not at all. As long as the taxes within the state or governmental area apply according to the law and are applied without preference favoring one individual over another or one company , then there is no problem with each state setting its own tax rates.

    As to different tax rates for different incomes, we settled that issue almost 100 years ago.

    This is not rocket science.
    LOL, you don't see the contradiction in your posts? you don't want states to create incentive for business movement but have no problem with Progressive tax rates by the Federal Govt. which do the same thing?

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    Re: Illinois Lawmakers Propose 75% Income Tax Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Silence lasted only while I took a shower. My mind was not blown - or even taxed. Its a simple question that requires a simple answer.
    It is a very simple answer, you have no problem with a Federal Progressive tax rate which reduces incentive and forces business to move out of country but have a problem with states doing the same thing thus enticing businesses to move to different states. Guess the benefit to one American over another is a problem for you especially since you claim we are all Americans and one nation.

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    Re: Illinois Lawmakers Propose 75% Income Tax Hike

    So...we can standardize tax laws. That will eliminate any corporations from having an incentive to relocate (brilliant when you are trying to trap them in place and exploit them from a union perspective). SO...they would instead just leave the country. REALLY well thought out plan that one! Oh...and if we standardize the tax plans across the country...we could maybe turn all 50 states into the socialist mecca's that are California and Illinois.

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    Re: Illinois Lawmakers Propose 75% Income Tax Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It is a very simple answer, you have no problem with a Federal Progressive tax rate which reduces incentive and forces business to move out of country but have a problem with states doing the same thing thus enticing businesses to move to different states. Guess the benefit to one American over another is a problem for you especially since you claim we are all Americans and one nation.
    Im not sure...trying to recall...didnt the founders of this country INSIST on strong states rights to avoid this one world federal government mindset? Im pretty sure that was the case...hmmmm...

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