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    Re: Illinois Lawmakers Propose 75% Income Tax Hike

    WOW!!!! The reaction here to my idea that we need a national policy for a national problem seems to be one of knee jerk ranting and raving. I am accused of wanting to abolish Federalism. I am accused of being a socialist. Amazing.

    I never realized that accepting that we are one nation, like the Pledge of Allegiance maintains, was such a radical belief. Bringing all of America under the same ban on giving corporations and businesses unfair tax breaks is only consistent with the 14th Amendment of the USA. The Supreme Court has ruled - and has done so very recently in the Citizens United case - that corporations are persons are entitled to the Constitutional protections of rights that persons are entitled to. So let us extend the protections of the 14th Amendment to them as well. Let us extend to all corporations the EQUAL PROTECTION OF THE LAW. No company, co corporation, no business can have an unfair advantage extended by the government as it would violate other corporations equal protection of the laws.
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    Re: Illinois Lawmakers Propose 75% Income Tax Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    WOW!!!! The reaction here to my idea that we need a national policy for a national problem seems to be one of knee jerk ranting and raving. I am accused of wanting to abolish Federalism. I am accused of being a socialist. Amazing.

    I never realized that accepting that we are one nation, like the Pledge of Allegiance maintains, was such a radical belief. Bringing all of America under the same ban on giving corporations and businesses unfair tax breaks is only consistent with the 14th Amendment of the USA. The Supreme Court has ruled - and has done so very recently in the Citizens United case - that corporations are persons are entitled to the Constitutional protections of rights that persons are entitled to. So let us extend the protections of the 14th Amendment to them as well. Let us extend to all corporations the EQUAL PROTECTION OF THE LAW. No company, co corporation, no business can have an unfair advantage extended by the government as it would violate other corporations equal protection of the laws.
    Some persons are more equal than others.

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    Re: Illinois Lawmakers Propose 75% Income Tax Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    WOW!!!! The reaction here to my idea that we need a national policy for a national problem seems to be one of knee jerk ranting and raving. I am accused of wanting to abolish Federalism. I am accused of being a socialist. Amazing.

    I never realized that accepting that we are one nation, like the Pledge of Allegiance maintains, was such a radical belief. Bringing all of America under the same ban on giving corporations and businesses unfair tax breaks is only consistent with the 14th Amendment of the USA. The Supreme Court has ruled - and has done so very recently in the Citizens United case - that corporations are persons are entitled to the Constitutional protections of rights that persons are entitled to. So let us extend the protections of the 14th Amendment to them as well. Let us extend to all corporations the EQUAL PROTECTION OF THE LAW. No company, co corporation, no business can have an unfair advantage extended by the government as it would violate other corporations equal protection of the laws.
    We are 50 states belonging to one nation. Talk about usurping states' rights. Yikes! I don't think you've thought it through.

    But it is sort of the union way of looking at things, isn't it? Let's put everyone on an equal footing with everyone else and control what happens to them. Let's make it impossible for anyone, no matter how skilled, to rise above the minions. Same tune...different words.
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    Re: Illinois Lawmakers Propose 75% Income Tax Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    We are 50 states belonging to one nation. Talk about usurping states' rights. Yikes! I don't think you've thought it through.

    But it is sort of the union way of looking at things, isn't it? Let's put everyone on an equal footing with everyone else and control what happens to them. Let's make it impossible for anyone, no matter how skilled, to rise above the minions. Same tune...different words.
    I was wondering how he was going to equalize the weather. The Southwest has an unfair advantage over the Midwest and Northeast so do we put ice cubes in the clouds to make it snow in Arizona. What about the earthquake insurance companies in Calif. have to pay, totally unfair. I say we need more quakes in NY to make things fairer!

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    Re: Illinois Lawmakers Propose 75% Income Tax Hike

    So explain to me how giving favorable financial or regulatory treatment to one company over other companies is not a violation of the Constitution given the Citizens United decision.

    Weather is not created by the government. Unfair tax breaks are. When my kids were teenagers they would say "duh" to a comment like this

    I was wondering how he was going to equalize the weather. The Southwest has an unfair advantage over the Midwest and Northeast so do we put ice cubes in the clouds to make it snow in Arizona. What about the earthquake insurance companies in Calif. have to pay, totally unfair. I say we need more quakes in NY to make things fairer!
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    Re: Illinois Lawmakers Propose 75% Income Tax Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    This story is an excellent example of a corporation whipsawing a state using tactics that amount to legal blackmail. It exemplifies why we need one national policy which forbids this very sort of chicanery. We are one nation, one people, one economy with more uniting us that mere state lines on a map. It is well beyond time that we accepted this and made the necessary changes. Or we will forever be subject to corporate blackmail.
    so... when a corporation threatens to move from one state to another because taxes will bankrupt it, you cry foul... but unions organizing people to boycott businesses and put them out of business is acceptable?

    You want a law that doesn't let businesses relocate from one state to another?

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    Re: Illinois Lawmakers Propose 75% Income Tax Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So explain to me how giving favorable financial or regulatory treatment to one company over other companies is not a violation of the Constitution given the Citizens United decision.

    Weather is not created by the government. Unfair tax breaks are. When my kids were teenagers they would say "duh" to a comment like this
    I think it's only fair that you summarize your understanding of this ruling and how it supports your position which is, as I understand it, that the Federal government should pass laws that restrict a state's right to incentivize business.
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    Re: Illinois Lawmakers Propose 75% Income Tax Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    so... when a corporation threatens to move from one state to another because taxes will bankrupt it, you cry foul... but unions organizing people to boycott businesses and put them out of business is acceptable?

    You want a law that doesn't let businesses relocate from one state to another?

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    I have no problem with a company relocating from one state to another.

    It is foolish to compare the activities of a private union and the peoples government.
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    Re: Illinois Lawmakers Propose 75% Income Tax Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think it's only fair that you summarize your understanding of this ruling and how it supports your position which is, as I understand it, that the Federal government should pass laws that restrict a state's right to incentivize business.
    If corporations are persons who have rights under the Constitution, then every corporation has the rights to equal protection of the law.

    Any law passed by a level of government which extends favored treatment to one corporation while failing to extend them to others is placing those unfavored corporations in a different class and treating them unequally.
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    Re: Illinois Lawmakers Propose 75% Income Tax Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If corporations are persons who have rights under the Constitution, then every corporation has the rights to equal protection of the law.

    Any law passed by a level of government which extends favored treatment to one corporation while failing to extend them to others is placing those unfavored corporations in a different class and treating them unequally.
    I find your position interesting, but slippery. I'd like to debate you on it, but until you define it more clearly, I'm at a loss. Maybe next time.
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