Last edited by Conservative; 03-27-11 at 12:09 PM. Reason: spelling
Part of any conversation has to be having the proper frame of reference. when you claim that China is headed in the right direction that doesn't help your credibility because that is an opinion which isn't based upon facts. China is a closed society with a media controlled by the govt. How do you know what is going on there.
AS for bashing liberals, it is so easy to do as all their rhetoric is emotion based and not factual based. Facts have no place in the liberal world as evidenced by totally ignoring actual results. Seems to me that you want to bash conservatives but cannot seem to do it factually. You started off attacking TX because it took stimulus money while ignoring what that stimulus money funded, Federal mandates. Then you claimed that TX should fight the mandates but when I told you that TX was fighting the mandates but had to pay for those mandates in the meantime you moved on to another topic.
I don't see any liberal wanting a conversation, only continued distortion of reality.
We had a USA based division with several hundred employees and planned to expanded it significantly making the USA our primary location. In 2008, when we saw the direction the country was moving, we took our foot off the accelerator and then, in 2009, we slammed on the brakes. We recently closed everything down except a subsidiary company to handle the USA sales operation. I argued against it since a good portion of our sales are in the USA and I thought it would hurt that business.
I was wrong. Our competitive position has improved (see note 1) and our USA sales and market share has increased.
BTW, our USA sub operates just slightly above breakeven. I leave it as an exercise for the class to figure out why.
I know many other companies that have made the same decision and, of those I know, have not heard from any that are planning to reverse course.
Note 1: For those who think increasing business costs in the USA is a good thing that means we have lower costs than our USA competitors and can cut prices to underprice them even more when we need to and/or make more money.
While I absolutely oppose China's government system, there's something to be said about pointing a billion people in a single direction.
It seems to be working.
However I'm looking at the results and not the rhetoric Conservative
They do have unbelieveble economic growth and have sustained it for a very long time through various means.
That is all.
Continue to Spin Champ.
What results are you looking at? Percentage change in GDP? Wow, with over three times the population why aren't they generating the same level of dollars in GDP? By the way, what is the average wage in China? Is that what you want here?
One of the first things I see happening is the complete and utter destruction of rural communities and small town America. As our current infrastructure stands now, they have zero chance at competing. A two lane blacktop road 20 miles from a major highway is no logistical match to an interstate highway system to move goods and services to market. Assuming companies don't leave this country in droves, most would relocate to the major metropolitan areas. Their infrastructure advantage alone would now create a playing field that is far less than level.
Massive inflation would quickly kick in, as the salaries compensate to match the highest paid workers in the richest areas of the country. After all, a level playing field must be followed by wage and price controls. Additionally, the lack of smaller start up organizations to trim costs and reduce prices by locating in favorable business climates would stifle innovation hindering ones ability to compete against major well established corporations. After all, large corporations would benefit from economies of scale that smaller companies cannot. Eliminating the one advantage a smaller company currently has (the flexibility to move to a favorable business climate to help margins) will be the death nail of entrepreneurship in America.
Areas of the country rich in natural resources would benefit greatly from such a level playing field. Major tourist areas too would enjoy a natural benefit from a 'level playing field'. Think about it, are you more than likely to vacation in Orlando Florida or Rockford, Illinois in January? After all, a business in Rockford, Illinois will no longer be able to offer reduced hotel rates to entice tourism with a level playing field and all.
As time goes on and unfair business practice allegations are bantered about more and more laws will be passed to 'level the playing field some more'. Various chamber of commerces across the nation will shut down, whole swaths of America would cease to exist and the fabric of society which once bound us together will then start ripping us apart. I could keep going on and on in this theoretical exercise, but I figured you kinda understand where I am coming from and why I believe competition and the ability to compete helps us all; rich and poor alike.
I asked you what results and this is what you offer? A country with three times the population of the United States should have economic growth in dollars greater than the United States plus a standard of living and wages higher than the United States. Can you prove they have both?