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Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords Shot In Arizona

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X Factor said:
Doesn't seem we need to worry if we have right guy, here. It's not like he'll be exonerated after he's executed. No reason to let him linger on our taxes.
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Thats right. Give him his speedy trial with all the protections. Give his all his Constitutional rights. Then, if and when he is convicted and that is upheld, flush the damn toilet.
 
I've just heard that she is out of surgery on my CNN news App, I got on my I pad.
 
PeteEU said:
Wait a minute.....I had to read this a few times and need a clarification..

By government officials, do you mean ELECTED officials or everyone on a government pay check?
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Pete, you are looking for some reason to attack me somehow.

Quit overthinking it and looking for some angle, this isn't the time, or the place for it.
 
MrVicchio said:
I'd RATHER the dead be the Gov't officials, because at least knew and accepted a level of inherent risk, then it be all civilians.

see what I am saying?
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No. What you are saying is totally whack. Getting shot for serving on the bench as a judge or as an elected congressman is NOT PAR FOR THE COURSE, nor should it ever be considered an acceptable risk.

How exactly does a representative democracy function, Vicchio, if the elected representatives have to worry about getting shot by some nutjob if they don't make 100% of the people happy 100% of the time? The short answer is: It doesn't. This kind of act attacks the very fabric of a democracy and harms all of us.

If you were talking about cops, that's one thing. Cops understand that their job entails necessary risks. But you're talking about a judge and a congresswoman. There is no way in hell that part of the job is a risk of being shot.

Jesus H. ****ing Christ.
 
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As to the 21 year old guy I was referring to earlier who shared the nutjob's video on his myspace, he too has studied in Mountain View Highschool in Tucson, like the killer.
 
the makeout hobo said:
I am outraged that it took 20 min for the sherriff to arrive and 30 for the EMTs. Can anyone explain that to e?
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Am at least a little skeptical about those times. Where did you hear/read that information...??


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MrVicchio said:
Pete, you are looking for some reason to attack me somehow.

Quit overthinking it and looking for some angle, this isn't the time, or the place for it.
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In other words you wont answer my question? I am not looking for any angle but for a clarification to your comments.

If you mean that elected officials have to accept a risk, then I would agree somewhat. The US President is always at risk.. but a local politician... no way.

However if you meant that all people on the government payroll .. then we have a problem.

So which is it?
 
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Catz Part Deux said:
No. What you are saying is totally whack. Getting shot for serving on the bench as a judge or as an elected congressman is NOT PAR FOR THE COURSE, nor should it ever be considered an acceptable risk.

How exactly does a representative democracy function, Vicchio, if the elected representatives have to worry about getting shot by some nutjob if they don't make 100% of the people happy 100% of the time.

If you were talking about cops, that's one thing. Cops understand that their job entails necessary risks. But you're talking about a judge and a congresswoman. There is no way in hell that part of the job is a risk of being shot.

Jesus H. ****ing Christ.
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Sigh.

There is a shooting. You here there are several dead. That group includes a judge and a congresswoman.

I would RATHER hear that the officials had died, then civilians, because they atleast understand there is an inherent risk in being who they are.

Much like if you heard there was a NASCAR wreck where the car went into the stands and there was a death. I'd rather it be the driver, who knew the risk, then it be a person in the stands. Not a perfect analogy because obvious one is an evil act the other is an accident.

You are in a tizzy the wrong way, for the wrong reasons. Where did I say it was an acceptable risk?

I said they understand there is an inherent risk, being a public official, that there is at least some level of threat against you.
 
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MrVicchio said:
Sigh.

There is a shooting. You here there are several dead. That group includes a judge and a congresswoman.

I would RATHER hear that the officials had died, then civilians, because they at last understand there is an inherent risk in being who they are.

Much like if you heard there was a NASCAR wreck where the car went into the stands and there was a death. I'd rather it be the driver, who knew the risk, then it be a person in the stands. Not a perfect analogy because obvious one is an evil act the other is an accident.

You are in a tizzy the wrong way, for the wrong reasons. Where did I say it was an acceptable risk?

I said they understand there is an inherent risk, being a public official, that there is at least some level of threat against you.
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You can repeat this statement 60 times, and it will still be as ridiculously moronic as the first time you said it.
 
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MrV, Catz, calm it down please as per Tashah and Hugh's warning. There will be time for this type discussion later, or in another thread. Thank you.
 
From another youtube video of the killer:

Hello,

I know you’re illiterate! This is the greatest protest for exposure into a wrongful act. The school is breaking the constitution. If you watch the video then you’ll understand. The teachers are taking advantage of you in the first and Fifth Amendment. The United States Constitution, which is the law, can be broken at this school.

Thank you and goodnight!

Jared -

The video was apparently removed by the killer.
I found it in the myspace page of the 21 years old guy I keep mentioning who's studied in Mountain View Highschool together with the killer, here:

Joe Iosue (♠Yo-sway♠) on Myspace
 
Barbbtx said:
Is that his favorite video or is that him?
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Watched the video a little while ago. Appears the creator had some symbolism injected in there between the trash bag pants and the missing arm and the lame poetry....but i didn't even begin to "get it".


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MrVicchio said:
Sigh.

There is a shooting. You here there are several dead. That group includes a judge and a congresswoman.

I would RATHER hear that the officials had died, then civilians, because they at last understand there is an inherent risk in being who they are.

Much like if you heard there was a NASCAR wreck where the car went into the stands and there was a death. I'd rather it be the driver, who knew the risk, then it be a person in the stands. Not a perfect analogy because obvious one is an evil act the other is an accident.

You are in a tizzy the wrong way, for the wrong reasons. Where did I say it was an acceptable risk?

I said they understand there is an inherent risk, being a public official, that there is at least some level of threat against you.
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You could save yourself a hell of a lot of problems by defining your "public official" comment. All you are doing now is pretty much promoting the same paranoid rantings of this terrorist in Tuscon by painting people on the public payroll as fair game by saying that you would rather have them dead than someone not on the public payroll...
 
Barbbtx said:
Is that his favorite video or is that him?
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It's either him or someone he personally knows, as in a friend. No other options really.
 
PeteEU said:
In other words you wont answer my question? I am not looking for any angle but for a clarification to your comments.

If you mean that elected officials have to accept a risk, then I would agree somewhat. The US President is always at risk.. but a local politician... no way.

However if you meant that all people on the government payroll .. then we have a problem.

So which is it?
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I didn't answer it because everyone aside you and Catz figured it out and got my point. If you haven't figured it out that you are just searching for a"problem" to rant about, that's on you.

Stick to the topic and stop harassing me with irrelevancies.
 
PeteEU said:
You could save yourself a hell of a lot of problems by defining your "public official" comment. All you are doing now is pretty much promoting the same paranoid rantings of this terrorist in Tuscon by painting people on the public payroll as fair game by saying that you would rather have them dead than someone not on the public payroll...
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That's not at all what he said.
 
Sorry didn't see the Not Redress, edited for you.
 
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Googling the passage written by the killer from the removed video I've mentioned above, I've reached this myspace account of this 22 years old girl from Tucson:

Sara Due (Sara

No idea why, but she's also studied in Mountain View Highschool, like the killer and the other guy I've mentioned.
 
MrVicchio said:
I didn't answer it because everyone aside you and Catz figured it out and got my point. If you haven't figured it out that you are just searching for a"problem" to rant about, that's on you.

Stick to the topic and stop harassing me with irrelevancies.
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Most people know it is not unusual for elected officials to receive death threats etc. Gifford was no exception. She'd had her office vandalized etc. She lives in AZ and supports securing the border. I heard that she was always concerned about her safety but even more the safety of her staff. I understood perfectly what you meant.
 
This is horrible HORRIBLE act! What a beautiful woman. :( Ive read nothing but good things about her.
 
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