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    Re: Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords Shot In Arizona

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    In death cases an appeal is automatic, even if the murderer doesn't want to. FYI; I've done a lot of research on the legalities of capital punishment.
    Hypothetically, in a case where this is no doubt that the accused killed people, and has been deemed sane by a doctor(s), what would be the point of appealing the case?
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    Re: Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords Shot In Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    "Wackjob" was pretty obvious from the start. Assassination attempts basically come in two flavors: lunatic snapping or professional hit, and professionals don't usually stroll up in the middle of the crowd and shoot someone point-blank because that pretty much guarantees you'll be captured or killed.
    One report that I heard was that the shooter used an automatic and fired 25+ shots. If that is accurate he would have had to change clips several times. Which would suggest it was less about an assassination and more about running up a body count.

    And with the 9 year old girl on the victim list, he was indiscriminate about who he was going to kill.

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    Re: Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords Shot In Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Hypothetically, in a case where this is no doubt that the accused killed people, and has been deemed sane by a doctor(s), what would be the point of appealing the case?
    Mainly to argue that the guy didn't get a fair trial. Judges make a ton of rulings in capital cases, there's always some argument about why some of the rulings were unfair and denied the murderer due process. Also, sanity is not the only defense. According to a fairly recent S.Ct. ruling (I think it's the S.Ct.), someone who's sane but retarded cannot be executed, so now all defense attorneys claim their clients are retarded. It's up to juries if they believe the psychiatric testimony.
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    Re: Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords Shot In Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    One report that I heard was that the shooter used an automatic and fired 25+ shots. If that is accurate he would have had to change clips several times. Which would suggest it was less about an assassination and more about running up a body count.

    And with the 9 year old girl on the victim list, he was indiscriminate about who he was going to kill.

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    That's a good point, if it were an assissination, he would have popped Giffords and disappeared in the confusion.
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    Re: Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords Shot In Arizona

    It's an assassination in that he attempted to kill a public figure. It's a nut who was probably working alone or with only one or two people and is pretty clearly mentally deranged. The two are not mutually exclusive.
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    Re: Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords Shot In Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It's an assassination in that he attempted to kill a public figure. It's a nut who was probably working alone or with only one or two people and is pretty clearly mentally deranged. The two are not mutually exclusive.
    Actually, that would be an assissination attempt.
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    Re: Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords Shot In Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's a good point, if it were an assissination, he would have popped Giffords and disappeared in the confusion.

    I'd say it is an act of terrorism

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    Re: Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords Shot In Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Actually, that would be an assissination attempt.
    From wiki: "An assassination is "to murder (a usually prominent person) by sudden or secret attack, often for political reasons.""

    This qualifies. You don't have to be a professional to assassinate some one. This is however just a semantics game. It's murder and attempted murder either way and I think both you and I hope he never sees a day of freedom again at the very least.
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    Re: Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords Shot In Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I'd say it is an act of terrorism
    That would probably be a stretch. There is no evidence currently that he was attempting to terrorize.
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    Re: Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords Shot In Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That would probably be a stretch. There is no evidence currently that he was attempting to terrorize.

    I would say he was trying to instill fear into the populace at large. Like suicide bombers do.

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