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    North Korea Proposes Talks w/South

    North Korea reiterated Saturday a proposal for unconditional talks with South Korea to ease tensions on the divided peninsula.

    The latest offer comes days after South Korea dismissed earlier calls by the North for negotiations.

    Meanwhile, North Korea's official Twitter account appeared to have been hacked on Saturday, which is believed to be the birthday of leader Kim Jong Il's youngest son and heir-apparent, Kim Jong Un. Four messages critical of the Kims remained posted in the account for 10 hours as of late Saturday.

    "Let's make a new world by removing our people's sworn enemy — traitor Kim Jong Il and his son Kim Jong Un!" one message read. Another urged the North's military to "point the gun" at Kim Jong Il for diverting money to the country's missile and nuclear programs.

    Tensions between the two sides escalated after a North Korean artillery barrage on a South Korean-held island near their disputed maritime border killed four South Koreans in November.

    The attack — the first on a civilian area since the 1950-53 Korean War — occurred in waters not far from where a North Korean torpedo allegedly sank a South Korean warship eight months earlier. That attack killed 46 sailors. North Korea has denied responsibility.

    "We do not want to see the present South Korean authorities pass the five-year term of their office idly without North-South dialogue," the North's Committee for the Peaceful Reunification of Korea said in a statement carried by the country's official Korean Central News Agency.

    "There is neither conditionality in the North's proposal for dialogue nor need to cast any doubt about its real intention," it said.

    North Korea also proposed holding separate talks later this month or in early February on other issues, including resumption of a suspended joint tourism project and cooperation at an industrial complex in the border city of Kaesong. The North also suggested restarting suspended Red Cross talks on humanitarian issues.

    North Korea said its offer was "a measure of good faith for opening the channel of dialogue and improving the North-South relations."

    "The South Korean authorities should discard any unnecessary misgiving, open their hearts and positively respond to the North's proposal," the statement said.

    Unification Ministry Chun Hae-sung said South Korea would review the latest offer, noting North Korea has not sent an official request for talks.

    North Korea called this past week for unconditional and early talks with South Korea, but Seoul dismissed the offer and urged the North to show it has changed through actions, not words.

    North Korea's sudden willingness to talk fits a well-established and — for diplomats engaged in the often tortuous negotiations in the past — tiresome pattern. North Korea, the complaint goes, creates a crisis and, when panic and fear envelope Seoul, Washington and Tokyo, then offers the possibility of negotiations to win badly needed food, fuel and other aid.

    Six-nation talks aimed at ending North Korea's nuclear weapons programs have stumbled and were last held in December 2008.

    The U.S. and South Korea have been vague about what they want from the North to restart the talks, which involve the two Koreas, the U.S., China, Japan and Russia. Washington has indicated an openness to a resumption but is urging the North to demonstrate it is serious about changing its behavior.

    "We are open to dialogue, as we've said clearly, but there are definitely steps that North Korea must take to make it clear that actual face-to-face discussions would be constructive," State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said in a briefing Friday.

    In August, North Korea opened a Twitter account as part of an apparent attempt to bolster its propaganda warfare against South Korea and the United States.

    The account "uriminzok," which means "our nation" in Korean, has so far gained 10,870 followers, with more than 1,300 tweets praising Kim Jong Il and carrying North Korean official media reports.

    KCNA did neither mention the apparent hacking or any celebrations of Kim Jong Un's reported birthday Saturday.

    Kim Jong Il made his youngest son, Kim Jong Un, a four-star general and gave him key political posts in September for an eventual second hereditary transition of power.

    Kim himself took power in 1994 after the death of his father, national founder Kim Il Sung.

    Kim Jong Il has really aged

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    re: North Korea Proposes Talks w/South

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLateNightPoo View Post

    Kim Jong Il has really aged
    Tell them to go to hell. You don't blast another country's island and then say lets talk peace. Go to freaking hell. And tell the water balloon headed son of yours to cut back on the rice.
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    To me this shows they're losing control.

    The food situation is getting pretty desperate, the populace may be starting to revolt in the more rural areas.

    In my research, it showed that even the army at times is severely short of supplies of every kind including food, they are definitely feeling the pinch too, and hungry soldiers are gonna do one of either two things, take food from civilians which is common practice in the North Korean Army, or revolt or refuse orders, granted this is rare, but again, we don't know how bad things are.

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    From what I can tell N. Korea is just like Iran in that the only reason for "talks" is to delay long enough to get more time before **** hits the fan. I say screw em both and nuke em.
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    Re: North Korea Proposes Talks w/South

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    From what I can tell N. Korea is just like Iran in that the only reason for "talks" is to delay long enough to get more time before **** hits the fan. I say screw em both and nuke em.
    Yes absolutely, because their civilian populations should have to pay for their despotic governments mistakes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Yes absolutely, because their civilian populations should have to pay for their despotic governments mistakes...
    Hmm...Population of N. Korea: roughly 24 million. Odds are that the gov makes up less than 1% of total population. Military alone could tell the government where to stick it. Yet they don't. The civilian population also doesn't.

    Population of Iran roughly 74 million. Same things that apply to N. Korea applies to Iran.

    I'm done playing around with those countries. IMO if the people were not complicit then they would stage a revolution and beat the crap outta thier current governments. I'm sure they could get help from the outside if they asked. But since there's not even a sign that this is happening...screw em.
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    Re: North Korea Proposes Talks w/South

    Hmm...Population of N. Korea: roughly 24 million. Odds are that the gov makes up less than 1% of total population. Military alone could tell the government where to stick it. Yet they don't. The civilian population also doesn't.

    Population of Iran roughly 74 million. Same things that apply to N. Korea applies to Iran.

    I'm done playing around with those countries. IMO if the people were not complicit then they would stage a revolution and beat the crap outta thier current governments. I'm sure they could get help from the outside if they asked. But since there's not even a sign that this is happening...screw em.
    The perpetrators of 9/11 held the same viewpoint on civilians.
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    Re: North Korea Proposes Talks w/South

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    The perpetrators of 9/11 held the same viewpoint on civilians.
    As much as I usually consider comments like this to be cheap-shots....I cant fault the logic.

    The people who justify killing American and European civilians use the same logic; "ordinary people must support it, they outnumber the bad people exponentially and aren't doing anything about it!"

    Kal, you need to take a look at Asian culture in general as well as the situation in North Korea. I've found the subject of North Korea interesting because it's such a closed off society and so disconnected from everything and everyone else. They dont have access to the great wealth of information that you or I do, the kind of access that fuels discontentment and eventually revolution. If you have a population that literally doesnt know anything about the outside world except what they've been told their whole lives and who have NO opportunity to learn, they're less inclined to revolt. You create an enemy; everyone NOT North Korean. You tell them that that enemy is actively working to destroy them. You give them false information to support that and no information to the contrary, and people WILL follow you. Yes, even into such terrible conditions.

    You also have to consider that the population probably has no weapons and no access to them and that North Korea has an enormous army, a great tool for crushing rebellions. Yes, the army could rebel, but why would they? They get better treatment for being in the army, executed if they so much as move an eyebrow out of line, and have had propaganda shoved down their throats since birth with no way for them to get a true view of their situation.

    Additionally, Asian culture in general tends to be somewhat more conformist than Western culture which has a high value on individualism. This makes societies that emphasize conformity and uniformity much more palatable in Asian countries.
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    Re: North Korea Proposes Talks w/South

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Hmm...Population of N. Korea: roughly 24 million. Odds are that the gov makes up less than 1% of total population. Military alone could tell the government where to stick it. Yet they don't. The civilian population also doesn't.

    Population of Iran roughly 74 million. Same things that apply to N. Korea applies to Iran.

    I'm done playing around with those countries. IMO if the people were not complicit then they would stage a revolution and beat the crap outta thier current governments. I'm sure they could get help from the outside if they asked. But since there's not even a sign that this is happening...screw em.
    There was a documentary on North Korea awhile back by the National Geographic channel. If you have Netflix I suggest you order it. It'll give you some insight on what is going on. The populace of North Korea honestly believes that they are the strongest country on the planet. From birth they have been led to believe they are the worlds superpower. The majority of the population doesn't even know someone has been on the Moon.

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    Re: North Korea Proposes Talks w/South

    Last month I finished reading a book by an American journalist (Asian) who was captured on SK territory close to the border and incarcerated in NK for months before being released. Initially, she was held at a military base and was shocked at how primitive the conditions were. The only on-base communication device was a decades-old rotary phone. She also said that many of her female guards in Pyongyang were very curious about life in the West. She was questioned almost every day, but was never mistreated.

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