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Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

Conservative said:
Sorry but most of what you post is from unreliable sources that want a single payer system which will destroy this country just like it has the socialist countries of Europe. I provided you the link to information but because of the source the data is inaccurate yet you have no problem quoting Obama who has yet to tell the truth on any issue along with any other leftwing site that wants this country to go down the path Europe went down years ago and is now dismantling.

When you fook around with 1/6 of the U.S. economy you better be right and there is no evidence that Obama is right on this or any other issue. Take the blinder off.
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Tell yourself what you like, but I don't use any source as inaccurate as the Weekly Standard. Again, answer the challenge if you can. :coffeepap
 
no, you prefer wik

LOL!

over the canadian broadcasting corporation

for purposes of...

what was it again?

oh, yeah

"comparison and overview"

LOL!
 
Boo Radley said:
Tell yourself what you like, but I don't use any source as inaccurate as the Weekly Standard. Again, answer the challenge if you can. :coffeepap
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You are biased and partisan to the massive expansion of the Federal Govt. who has throughout history always spent more than authorized without any consequences. This Administration has yet to be accurate on any prediction thus the assumptions given the CBO can hardly be viewed as credible. You buy the numbers, I don't. If you are wrong then what? To deny that doctors and hospitals aren't dropping patients and that hospitals aren't being constructed due to Obamacare is totally naive and ignores reality.
 
A group of physician-owned hospitals plans to file a lawsuit today asking a federal court in Tyler to halt the new health care law's ban on Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements to future doctor-owned facilities.

Physician Hospitals of America, including the Texas Spine and Joint Hospital in Tyler, provided a copy of the suit. A spokesman said the suit would be filed this morning.

The Dallas-Fort Worth area has more than 22 physician-owned hospitals. Nationwide, there are 265, with an additional 29 set to open before Dec. 31, when the new law bars federal payments.

The law would also withhold federal reimbursements to physician-owned hospitals that expand after the end of the year – which would disrupt work under way at Texas Spine and Joint Hospital.
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Doctor-owned hospitals plan suit on new health care law | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Dallas Business News

say hi to mister mccaskill

LOL!
 
Conservative said:
You are biased and partisan to the massive expansion of the Federal Govt. who has throughout history always spent more than authorized without any consequences. This Administration has yet to be accurate on any prediction thus the assumptions given the CBO can hardly be viewed as credible. You buy the numbers, I don't. If you are wrong then what? To deny that doctors and hospitals aren't dropping patients and that hospitals aren't being constructed due to Obamacare is totally naive and ignores reality.
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If you can't meet the challenge, that's fine. But it means your claim is not yet supported.
 
Boo Radley said:
If you can't meet the challenge, that's fine. But it means your claim is not yet supported.
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The more I provide the more you ignore. Done providing you with data as data is irrelevant to you.
 
Conservative said:
The more I provide the more you ignore. Done providing you with data as data is irrelevant to you.
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All you have to do is prove something credible. If you do, I'll address it. Either accept the challenge of move on.
 
^ one more needed conversation ruined by a conservative and a liberal spitting at each other.
 
Zyroh said:
^ one more needed conversation ruined by a conservative and a liberal spitting at each other.
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Perhaps, but if you have something of value, by all means, contribute. I would prefer that.
 
Boo Radley said:
All you have to do is prove something credible. If you do, I'll address it. Either accept the challenge of move on.
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I have been in this forum for over a year. We have gone over this time and time again and I have provided the actual data including links. You ignored them only to come back days later to make the same claims again. Nothing is going to change your mind including logic based arguments and actual date. To deny that doctors and hospitals are dropping patients is someone in denial. To deny that physician owned hospitals have stopped construction on hospitals is further denial. To ignore the lies of this Administration is further denial. To ignore that healthcare costs are paid for by the citizens of the various states is still more denial. Remaining in denial is going to cost you and your family a lot of money and quality of service.
 
Conservative said:
I have been in this forum for over a year. We have gone over this time and time again and I have provided the actual data including links. You ignored them only to come back days later to make the same claims again. Nothing is going to change your mind including logic based arguments and actual date. To deny that doctors and hospitals are dropping patients is someone in denial. To deny that physician owned hospitals have stopped construction on hospitals is further denial. To ignore the lies of this Administration is further denial. To ignore that healthcare costs are paid for by the citizens of the various states is still more denial. Remaining in denial is going to cost you and your family a lot of money and quality of service.
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Yes, we've been doing this a while. Sometimes you use a good source, but provide information that doesn't actually speak to your claim. And you never address that rebuttal, but just keep putting up the stats. And sometimes, like here, you take a wild claim, use an inaccurate source, and never seek to use a credible source. I've challenged you to do so. SOmething that should be easy if this claim is true. But, perhaps because you know there are problems with it, you refuse to even try. Again, either accept the challenge or move on.
 
Boo Radley said:
conservative hack sites saying the construction stopped for the reasons you claim don't equal evidence either.
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A group of physician-owned hospitals plans to file a lawsuit today asking a federal court in Tyler to halt the new health care law's ban on Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements to future doctor-owned facilities.

Physician Hospitals of America, including the Texas Spine and Joint Hospital in Tyler, provided a copy of the suit. A spokesman said the suit would be filed this morning.

The Dallas-Fort Worth area has more than 22 physician-owned hospitals. Nationwide, there are 265, with an additional 29 set to open before Dec. 31, when the new law bars federal payments.

The law would also withhold federal reimbursements to physician-owned hospitals that expand after the end of the year – which would disrupt work under way at Texas Spine and Joint Hospital.
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Doctor-owned hospitals plan suit on new health care law | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Dallas Business News

of course, the dallas morning news can't live up to wik

LOL!
 
Boo Radley said:
As I noted above, this inaccurate rag does not count as a legitmate source.
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from the link in question

Under the headline, "Construction Stops at Physician Hospitals," Politico reports today that "Physician Hospitals of America says that construction had to stop at 45 hospitals nationwide or they would not be able to bill Medicare for treatments."
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Boo Radley said:
You need more.
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says the 60 second clicker who prefers wik

LOL!
 
The Prof said:
from the link in question





says the 60 second clicker who prefers wik

LOL!
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No, from the link in question:

The Dallas-Fort Worth area has more than 22 physician-owned hospitals. Nationwide, there are 265, with an additional 29 set to open before Dec. 31, when the new law bars federal payments.

Doctor-owned hospitals plan suit on new health care law | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Dallas Business News

I suspose we can post the entire article, but there is no mention of politic in that article, and no claim of construction stopping.
 
The law would also withhold federal reimbursements to physician-owned hospitals that expand after the end of the year – which would disrupt work under way at Texas Spine and Joint Hospital.
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unbelievable
 
The Prof said:
unbelievable
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That too is not a claim that it has stopped. And yes, it is unbelieve that you have twiced been shown inaccurate and don't acknowldge it.
 
tell it to roger simon's journolisters

the law bans medicaid and medicare reimbursements to physician owned hospitals

that's why the doctors are suing

tell me, solon, what makes you think senator mccaskill is male?

LOL!
 
Guys, I don't need to tell anyone. Just link a credible source showing that construction has actually stopped, not delayed, not might be delayed, not we don't like the reform. Show that construction has stopped, and hospitals are closing, which was the claim. And use a credible source.
 
Conservative said:
How did we survive all these years without Obamacare? What is out that there states that the Federal Govt. can handle the healthcare issue. Since healthcare is a personal responsibility any program to solve the problem rests closer to the people and that isn't the Federal Govt. but instead is the local and state governments.



We don't need a Federal Mandate to solve the problems of people not being able to afford healthcare. What we need is the ability to sell across the state lines, eliminate tort reform, and handle the illegal alien issue. How many of those people who do not have healthcare have the ability to purchase it but choose not to? How many are illegal aliens? You think we need this Federal Mandate for the rest?




Life is about making choices, sometimes the things you want get in the way of the things you need. What about the people who can afford healthcare but choose not to purchase it? The number that cannot afford healthcare doesn't require a 2400 page govt. mandate that does nothing to improve access or quality. MA is a perfect example of what is going to happen.
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I agree with all of that, what I don't understand is why people always seem seem to miss the bigie with our health care issue, that is, the fact that prepaid health care plans themselves run up the cost of medical care due to creating a system in which the user doesn't price shop for medical care and medical care providers don't have to compete on price.

Am I just totally off base with this? Isn't the root of the issue the fact that medical care cost so much? Why is insurance even a part of the issue?
 
imagep said:
I agree with all of that, what I don't understand is why people always seem seem to miss the bigie with our health care issue, that is, the fact that prepaid health care plans themselves run up the cost of medical care due to creating a system in which the user doesn't price shop for medical care and medical care providers don't have to compete on price.

Am I just totally off base with this? Isn't the root of the issue the fact that medical care cost so much? Why is insurance even a part of the issue?
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I agree and thus I like what Indiana has done with the HSA's which put competition into healthcare. That is the missing ingredient in the debate.
 
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