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Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

Its the government that said everyone must get care, so your argument has little to no value to me when it comes to the idea it costs us one way or the other.

Still, all groups cost the hospital and the people money. Its just a matter of how much.

Not really. Government didn't just decide these things. People did. Take not turning people away from emergency rooms. There was a time when hospitals did just that, even in life threatening situations. Not all did, but because they could, it happened. Those without insurance were sent to charity hospitals, even if they were too far away, costing lives. Again, there were good people who defied such thinking and treated and then sent, but the law allowed them to be shipped off. I remember one case in Georgia before the law was even intorduced that upset people a great deal, and people wrote letters and lobbied for laws to prevent such tragedy. So, it wasn't a case of government simply jumping to this conclusion. it was bore out of events that cased peole to take notice. People decided.

But, like in most cases, they discionnect themselves from what the actions cost. Because they didn't required, hell didn't even want to hear about, any cost issues, they did this with no organized plan on how to handle the cost, as if the treratment would be free. It's not. We all pay for everyone who is treated but can't pay. And we have no mechanism to even assess if we're charged fairly.

And while all groups cost, those who pay, pay what they cost. You don't have to ask others to pay for them. They pay their bill, and they pay their premium. So, the larger problem are those who get service but pay nothing, or next to nothing. That means the total cost is passed on. Hosptials don't eat the cost. Sorry.
 
No argument from me on that one.

I believe what we should start putting much more emphasis on is Preventative care as opposed to the sometimes dogmatic approach of only dealing with a problem once it arises.

Countries like Japan are way ahead in this field, and a lot of that is down to the individual habits of the society in general.

MA has Obamacare, do they have an access problem? If not why are ER rooms overcrowded? There aren't enough doctors or enough hours in the day to meet the demand of another 40 million to the healthcare roles so the people will get their care when they need it by going to the ER's therefore what savings?
 
It is the entire point, Hundreds of companies are seeking and getting exemptions to opt out of Obamacare thus exempting them for limiting deductions. If they aren't included then they are exempt from the regulations in the bill.

hundreds of insurance companies? which ones, for example?
 
MA has Obamacare, do they have an access problem? If not why are ER rooms overcrowded? There aren't enough doctors or enough hours in the day to meet the demand of another 40 million to the healthcare roles so the people will get their care when they need it by going to the ER's therefore what savings?

So the real answer is to simply deny them care because it might crowd ER rooms?

What if everyone just happened to be able to afford health care?
 
MA has Obamacare, do they have an access problem? If not why are ER rooms overcrowded? There aren't enough doctors or enough hours in the day to meet the demand of another 40 million to the healthcare roles so the people will get their care when they need it by going to the ER's therefore what savings?

When I was a teenager, I broke my ankle in three places in a HS wrestling match. I was told it was spran and to walk it off. Hours later, I was in the ER. I was in some pain. I waited five hours. They were over crowded. That damned Obama.
 
So the real answer is to simply deny them care because it might crowd ER rooms?

What if everyone just happened to be able to afford health care?

Actually, most of the people that use emergency rooms have health insurance.
 
So the real answer is to simply deny them care because it might crowd ER rooms?

What if everyone just happened to be able to afford health care?

Nope, just shows how the promises of cutting costs doesn't happen in the real world. MA is an example of what is going to happen with Obamacare implemented nationwide. Why would you think differently?
 
Actually, most of the people that use emergency rooms have health insurance.

In MA everyone has universal healthcare insurance but cannot get into a doctor's office thus go to the ER's. That is contrary to the promises of Obama and supporters of Obamacare. These results are what Obamacare supporters ignore.
 
When I was a teenager, I broke my ankle in three places in a HS wrestling match. I was told it was spran and to walk it off. Hours later, I was in the ER. I was in some pain. I waited five hours. They were over crowded. That damned Obama.

LOL, as I have pointed out ER usage in Boston has skyrocketed with an Obamacare type program. Why? The results in MA are an example of what is going to happen when this program is rolled out nationwide. Why are you ignoring the MA results?
 
hundreds of insurance companies? which ones, for example?

He didn't say insurance companies.

McDonalds is a good example of a company that opted out of Obamcare.

What with all these companies and unions getting waivers, how the hell is this supposed to work?
 
First of all, I would say that I do shirk personal responsibility. People do have different lifestyles, yet even under our current system the cost is shared. Insurance rates go up on all because of smokers and overeaters, .....whatever. We pay higher gas prices when people in their huge gas guzzlers use more than the rest and the fuel available declines. That is the market! Regardless of the setup, you are going to share in the burden and benefit.
 
LOL, as I have pointed out ER usage in Boston has skyrocketed with an Obamacare type program. Why? The results in MA are an example of what is going to happen when this program is rolled out nationwide. Why are you ignoring the MA results?
That was a nation wide trend at the time
 
He didn't say insurance companies.

McDonalds is a good example of a company that opted out of Obamcare.

What with all these companies and unions getting waivers, how the hell is this supposed to work?

he specifically DID mean insurance companies, as they are the companies that are affected by the limit in compensation deductions. not mcdonalds.
 
That was a nation wide trend at the time

Not only that, but Health Care is determined to rise in cost anyway, I doubt you could find any country in the world where Health Care costs aren't rising...

But yet it's all Obamas fault....

Go figure eh?
 
LOL, as I have pointed out ER usage in Boston has skyrocketed with an Obamacare type program. Why? The results in MA are an example of what is going to happen when this program is rolled out nationwide. Why are you ignoring the MA results?

It simply shows there is a greater need, meaning that there is a situation for job growth, not to mention education. Not everyone who comes in needs to be in an ER. We can revamp laws, and follow the intent, that emergencies are not turned away. Those merely requring a doctor can be. And should be. Again, once we see a problem,. address the problem and not just cry that the sky is falling.
 
What are you suppose to do when you think both the Democrat's plan and the GOP's plan are bat**** insane?

Is there an option C here?
 
First of all, I would say that I do shirk personal responsibility. People do have different lifestyles, yet even under our current system the cost is shared. Insurance rates go up on all because of smokers and overeaters, .....whatever. We pay higher gas prices when people in their huge gas guzzlers use more than the rest and the fuel available declines. That is the market! Regardless of the setup, you are going to share in the burden and benefit.

So you think you should share in my healthcare costs? Thanks, send me a check. There is no logic in your stance. People that abuse their bodies make a personal choice to do that, why should the taxpayer fund their care. Want to cut healthcare costs, get illegal aliens under control. 600,000 was spent in my county alone for healthcare costs for illegals. That should be paid by the countries from which these illegals came. deduct it from foreign aid.
 
So you think you should share in my healthcare costs? Thanks, send me a check. There is no logic in your stance. People that abuse their bodies make a personal choice to do that, why should the taxpayer fund their care. Want to cut healthcare costs, get illegal aliens under control. 600,000 was spent in my county alone for healthcare costs for illegals. That should be paid by the countries from which these illegals came. deduct it from foreign aid.


Where do you get this 600k figure from?
 
It simply shows there is a greater need, meaning that there is a situation for job growth, not to mention education. Not everyone who comes in needs to be in an ER. We can revamp laws, and follow the intent, that emergencies are not turned away. Those merely requring a doctor can be. And should be. Again, once we see a problem,. address the problem and not just cry that the sky is falling.

Why are doctors and hospitals dropping Medicare? You cannot micromanage a private sector economy where people choose what profession to undertake. So with the infrastructure we have now why won't the MA situation be repeated nationwise?
 
So you think you should share in my healthcare costs? Thanks, send me a check. There is no logic in your stance. People that abuse their bodies make a personal choice to do that, why should the taxpayer fund their care. Want to cut healthcare costs, get illegal aliens under control. 600,000 was spent in my county alone for healthcare costs for illegals. That should be paid by the countries from which these illegals came. deduct it from foreign aid.

It is not that I want to. The fact is that I am under private insurance as well.
 
It is not that I want to. The fact is that I am under private insurance as well.

Of course you are as are 85-90% of the public so instead of addressing the problems, the govt. makes it worse. National healthcare sounds great until you get around to implementing and managing it.
 
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