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Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

The government is not in any running health care.

The government is mandating that we purchase health insurance. I call that, "runnning health care".
 
Really? Then I guess the 2,000 + pages of the bill was just a waste of perfectly good trees then.

It is not running health care. It doesn't hire doctors, run hospitals, or sell supplies. The bill could be tree trillion pages long, and if it did no more than this does, it would not be running health care. You can change facts by counting pages. :coffeepap
 
The government is mandating that we purchase health insurance. I call that, "runnning health care".

That is not running health care any more than mandatory auto insurance is running the auto industry.
 
Oh really?

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You are showing employment, not scope of power.
 
Insurance rates are not forced-up, that is a simple response on the part of Insurance Companies to the fact that the bill will cut into their profits.

B.S. How do you expect insurance companies to provide unlimited lifetime coverage, cover lazy kids til they are 26, and allow people to get sick before buying insurance without increasing their costs ???? And that's just a few for starters.

By the way, you do know that insurance companies have lower profit margins than many other industries don't you ??
 
Now rates are going to double. Wanna know the reason?

Again, they doubled on me two years before reform. What was the excuse then?
 
I think the bill needs to be voted on line by line. Though many say that 3/4's want the bill repealed, a clear majority favor most of the benefits given by the bill. How many people you know are against being able to insure their kids through college or not being rejected for coverage because of a pre-existing condition?

I'm against both of those things. *Shrug*

I fail to see how it makes any sense to get insurance after you're broken. Just because people want to make it into some kind of righteous vs evil fest doesn't mean it makes any more sense, sorry. Insurance is a business, it is there to make money, it is NOT there to take care of you. It might enter into some kind of contract after it picks you up, but it does not enter into a contract with society before it does business with it.

College adults, yes, say it with me, ADULTS, should be treated as such, so ofcourse that implies buying their own health insurance. What they can afford or what they need does not enter into it. They can earn money, they buy a service. Simple as that. Eitherway, this kind of contract shouldn't be forced on business. If the business wants to cover the college kids under the parents plan until the kid is fifty, so be it.
 
The government is mandating that we purchase health insurance. I call that, "runnning health care".

Here lies the nonsense of your argument. If everyone is paying for insurance then costs across the board must be reduced, even if you are being "forced" into it. Yet you keep saying the cost is going to double. Both cannot exist together.
 
Again, they doubled on me two years before reform. What was the excuse then?

Why are companies either opting out of Obamacare, or dropping insurance altogether? I mean, if rates aren't going up
 
I fail to see how it makes any sense to get insurance after you're broken.

That's why it should be mandatory that all have insurance. If you don't get it before you're broken, and you can't get it after you're broken, then you either have to suffer, or we pay for you one way or another. And people who are not covered do get treated after they are broken. And we do pay for them.
 
More power = more employees

Nonsense, I can pass multiple laws and still have the same police force enforce them. There are no police for seatbelt laws and those for speeding only.
 
Here lies the nonsense of your argument. If everyone is paying for insurance then costs across the board must be reduced, even if you are being "forced" into it. Yet you keep saying the cost is going to double. Both cannot exist together.

Not if you add 30 million people that are getting it for free.
 
Why are companies either opting out of Obamacare, or dropping insurance altogether? I mean, if rates aren't going up

Again, they were doing that before Obama care. A public option would have helped more, and a single payer even more, but you can't cite things that were happening before reform as being the fault of refrom. Not logically anyway.
 
Here lies the nonsense of your argument. If everyone is paying for insurance then costs across the board must be reduced, even if you are being "forced" into it. Yet you keep saying the cost is going to double. Both cannot exist together.

Obamacare forced insurance companies from a 60-40 split to a 80-20 split, which means that they have less money to operate on, at current rates. Insurance costs aren't going to go down, just because everyone buys insurance. You're listening to The One too much.
 
B.S. How do you expect insurance companies to provide unlimited lifetime coverage, cover lazy kids til they are 26, and allow people to get sick before buying insurance without increasing their costs ???? And that's just a few for starters.

By the way, you do know that insurance companies have lower profit margins than many other industries don't you ??

Yes, but they have HUGE overhead and still have to pay the shareholders.
 
Obamacare forced insurance companies from a 60-40 split to a 80-20 split, which means that they have less money to operate on, at current rates. Insurance costs aren't going to go down, just because everyone buys insurance. You're listening to The One too much.

If that is the case, then the market does not work.
 
The author you use here, perhaps you should know more about:
Richard Saltman - European Healthcare System Expert

Wow, there you go again, attacking the messenger and ignoring the message. What was presented in that article that is wrong? The fact remains Europe is going the opposite of this country and yet the best you can do is divert from that reality? Why would Europe be abandoning the govt. controlled and run healthcare system and what makes them less credible than this Administration?
 
Yes, but they have HUGE overhead and still have to pay the shareholders.

Many of those shareholders are seniors that require those dividends to supplement their retirement income. You have a problem with profits?
 
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