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Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

tlmorg02 said:
I think the bill needs to be voted on line by line. Though many say that 3/4's want the bill repealed, a clear majority favor most of the benefits given by the bill. How many people you know are against being able to insure their kids through college or not being rejected for coverage because of a pre-existing condition?
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The one or two good parts of the bill don't displace th other 1995 pages of bad stuff.
 
apdst said:
The one or two good parts of the bill don't displace th other 1995 pages of bad stuff.
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Yet those so vehemently opposed to the bill only give one or two bad things this bill includes. Those are namely the paper work issue and the fines.
 
tlmorg02 said:
I honestly cannot see why anyone would fear this bill, other than Insurance and Pharmaceutical companies that have profits to lose. All of the major industrial nations have such systems in place and none have collapsed into some oblivion.
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Really? Do you get news in Louisville? European countries are going bankrupt over their socialist model and healthcare contributes significantly to those costs. Tell me where you get yhour information?
 
tlmorg02 said:
Yet those so vehemently opposed to the bill only give one or two bad things this bill includes. Those are namely the paper work issue and the fines.
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How about the fact that the federal government has no constitutional authority in running a health care system
 
Conservative said:
Really? Do you get news in Louisville? European countries are going bankrupt over their socialist model and healthcare contributes significantly to those costs. Tell me where you get yhour information?
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Please provide a source that says healthcare costs are a major contributor to the current global economic recession.
 
Boo Radley said:
Wasn't it's single purpose, but if you want a source that says exactly that, let me give you the first few of a search:

WASHINGTON -- The deployment of nearly 50,000 National Guard troops from 50 states as part of the Hurricane Katrina relief effort has exposed debilitating equipment shortages in a force already stretched thin by three years of deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Lt. Gen. Steven Blum, head of the National Guard, said in an interview that the needs of Guard units overseas have left troops at home without modern communications and night vision equipment, as well as the vehicles necessary for Guard troops to traverse neighborhoods flooded in the wake of Katrina.

Guard units stretched thin

AP) The National Guard is stretched so thin by simultaneous assignments in Iraq and the hurricane-ravaged Gulf Coast that leaders in statehouses and Congress say it is time to reconsider how the force is used.

National Guard Stretched Thin - CBS News

Army National Guard units that'd already served the maximum time on active duty, in combat, are being told that the rules have changed, and they're again being called back for Iraq service.

It doesn't matter that those Guard units were ordered to leave virtually all of their equipment in Iraq and have had none of it replaced so that they might actually train for the eventuality that has befallen them. Nor does it matter that there may not be equipment and vehicles waiting for them in Iraq when they get there.

An Army Stretched Thin
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Raise the authorized troop strengths for state national gaurds. We don't need a 2,000 page bill to do that.
 
chevydriver1123 said:
How about the fact that the federal government has no constitutional authority in running a health care system
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The federal government has always expanded and will continue to do so. Name me one time in history where any party has shrunken the influence of the federal government.
 
tlmorg02 said:
The federal government has always expanded and will continue to do so. Name me one time in history where any party has shrunken the influence of the federal government.
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Just because the human filth that is the left statists and right statists refuse to do anything about doesnt mean we as tax paying citizens should continue to put up with it.
 
tlmorg02 said:
Yet those so vehemently opposed to the bill only give one or two bad things this bill includes. Those are namely the paper work issue and the fines.
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Ready reserve corps.

Death panels.

1099 law.

Forcing insurance rates to go up.

Government funded abortion.

That's more than just one, or two.
 
I am still waiting for that key proof that socialist healthcare costs caused the economic problems of Europe, or even contribute. :shrug:
 
apdst said:
Ready reserve corps.

Death panels.

1099 law.

Forcing insurance rates to go up.

Government funded abortion.

That's more than just one, or two.
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The ready reserve board is a trained unit that will respond to outbreaks such as the H1N1 virus and the such. And as written in the bill, and your subsequent interpretation of it, the Supreme Court and Federal judges are a personel army to the President.

Death panels, really, you still pushing that nonsense?

1099, I will give you, but I already mentioned it.

Insurance rates are not forced-up, that is a simple response on the part of Insurance Companies to the fact that the bill will cut into their profits.

The abortion issue I will give you as well. They should not be federally funded.

So we are still at 2.
 
tlmorg02 said:
The federal government has always expanded and will continue to do so. Name me one time in history where any party has shrunken the influence of the federal government.
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Oh really?

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apdst said:
Ready reserve corps.

Death panels.

1099 law.

Forcing insurance rates to go up.

Government funded abortion.

That's more than just one, or two.
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More than a little misinformation there. :coffeepap
 
apdst said:
Raise the authorized troop strengths for state national gaurds. We don't need a 2,000 page bill to do that.
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2000 pages are not alotted to this issue. It is only a few paragraphs, tops. And congress, not the president, seems to disagree with you. So, explain more. And please be factually accurate.
 
tlmorg02 said:
The ready reserve board is a trained unit that will respond to outbreaks such as the H1N1 virus and the such. And as written in the bill, and your subsequent interpretation of it, the Supreme Court and Federal judges are a personel army to the President.

Death panels, really, you still pushing that nonsense?

1099, I will give you, but I already mentioned it.

Insurance rates are not forced-up, that is a simple response on the part of Insurance Companies to the fact that the bill will cut into their profits.

The abortion issue I will give you as well. They should not be federally funded.

So we are still at 2.
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Insurance companies have to raise rates, because of mandates placed on them by Obamacare.

What about the unemployment rate? Since healthcare is going to double, employers aren't going to able to afford more employees.
 
Conservative said:
Really? Do you get news in Louisville? European countries are going bankrupt over their socialist model and healthcare contributes significantly to those costs. Tell me where you get yhour information?
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I can answer that for him.... NO, he doesn't get the news in Louisville, at least not if he reads the local newspapers.
 
Boo Radley said:
2000 pages are not alotted to this issue. It is only a few paragraphs, tops. And congress, not the president, seems to disagree with you. So, explain more. And please be factually accurate.
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Actually, Congress does agree with me.
 
apdst said:
Insurance companies have to raise rates, because of mandates placed on them by Obamacare.

What about the unemployment rate? Since healthcare is going to double, employers aren't going to able to afford more employees.
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They were raising rates before mandates. What was the excuse then?
 
Conservative said:
What is happening in Europe is quite telling. If socialized medicine was so great why are European countries dismantling it.

A Tale of Two Continents - Health Care Cost Monitor
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The author you use here, perhaps you should know more about:
Richard Saltman - European Healthcare System Expert

All of which is to say that Saltman is an admirer, and defender, of tax-funded public health care systems as they exist in Canada and much of Europe. But not an uncritical one. In fact, he scoffs at what he calls health care Chicken Littles who "as soon as there is any entrepreneurial behaviour at all in the public sector, or any link to the private sector, start screaming, 'The sky is falling, the sky is falling.' That's just pathetic."
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tlmorg02 said:
The federal government has always expanded and will continue to do so. Name me one time in history where any party has shrunken the influence of the federal government.
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Executive Branch Employment Since 1940

Total... not just civilian.

1943-1944 federal employment went down
1946-1950 federal employment went down
1951-1952 federal employment went down
1952-1959 federal employment went down
1968-1969 federal employment went down
1978-1979 federal employment went down
1980-1989 federal employment went down
1993-2007 federal employment went down

The size of the federal workforce has never been higher than it is now under Obama. More gubmint... more gubmint!!!!!!!!!
 
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