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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

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    CBC?


    other therapeutic treatment had to wait 18.3 weeks

    Read more: CBC News - Health - Wait times for surgery in Canada at all-time high: study


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    One complaint about both the U.S. and Canadian health care systems is waiting times, whether for a specialist, major elective surgery, such as hip replacement, or specialized treatments, such as radiation for breast cancer; wait times in each country are affected by various factors. In the United States, access to health care is primarily determined by whether a person has access to funding to pay for treatment and by the availability of services in the area and by willingness of the provider to deliver service at the price set by the insurer. In Canada the wait time is set according the availability of services in the area and by the relative need of the person needing treatment.

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    In a 2009 survey of physician appointment wait times in the United States, the average wait time for an appointment with an orthopaedic surgeon in country as a whole was 17 days. In Dallas, Texas the wait was 45 days (the longest wait being 365 days). Nationwide across the U.S. the average wait time to see a family doctor was 20 days. The average wait time to see a family practitioner in Los Angeles, California was 59 days and in Boston, Massachusetts it was 63 days.[57]

    Studies by the Commonwealth Fund found that 42% of Canadians waited 2 hours or more in the emergency room, vs. 29% in the U.S.; 57% waited 4 weeks or more to see a specialist, vs. 23% in the U.S., but Canadians had more chances of getting medical attention at nights, or on weekends and holidays than their American neighbors without the need to visit an ER (54% compared to 61%).[58] Statistics from the Canadian free market think tank Fraser Institute in 2008 indicate that the average wait time between the time when a general practitioner refers a patient for care and the receipt of treatment was almost four and a half months in 2008, roughly double what it had been 15 years before.[59]

    Comparison of the health care systems in Canada and the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

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    It's in the healthcare bill. Surely you've read it.
    That is not you provding support. I'm waiting.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

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    That is not you provding support. I'm waiting.
    I can't believe you aren't familiar with the very bill that you say we can't live without.

    SEC. 5210. ESTABLISHING A READY RESERVE CORPS. Section 203 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 204) is amended to read as follows: ‘‘SEC. 203. COMMISSIONED CORPS AND READY RESERVE CORPS. ‘‘(a) ESTABLISHMENT.— ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—There shall be in the Service a commissioned Regular Corps and a Ready Reserve Corps for service in time of national emergency. ‘‘(2) REQUIREMENT.—All commissioned officers shall be citizens of the United States and shall be appointed without regard to the civil-service laws and compensated without regard to the Classification Act of 1923, as amended. ‘‘(3) APPOINTMENT.—Commissioned officers of the Ready Reserve Corps shall be appointed by the President and commissioned officers of the Regular Corps shall be appointed by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate. ‘‘(4) ACTIVE DUTY.—Commissioned officers of the Ready Reserve Corps shall at all times be subject to call to active duty by the Surgeon General, including active duty for the purpose of training. ‘‘(5) WARRANT OFFICERS.—Warrant officers may be appointed to the Service for the purpose of providing support to the health and delivery systems maintained by the Service and any warrant officer appointed to the Service shall be considered for purposes of this Act and title 37, United States Code, to be a commission
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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I can't believe you aren't familiar with the very bill that you say we can't live without.
    What you quote is not what you state. You say his personal army. You have not supported you claim. I'm still waiting.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    What you quote is not what you state. You say his personal army. You have not supported you claim. I'm still waiting.
    That's not what that is? Does this unit answer to congress? What's the need for it, since we already have a military force in place?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Let's get this straight, the govt not meddling in the private healthcare industry will add $230B to the national debt (govt debt)? But if we let the govt get involved (which costs money) we won't incur any costs?
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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    It will NOT cost $230 billion to repeal a bill that is not even in effect yet. Gimme a break.

    And if it does, is there any more telling proof at how gawd-awful the federal government is with our money?

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's not what that is? Does this unit answer to congress? What's the need for it, since we already have a military force in place?
    Read your quote:

    by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate.

    Again, you have misread and got the provision completely wrong. It is not what you claim.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Bottom line, you can't repeal it until you take over the Senate, too, and get rid of Obama.

    If Americans want this gone, they have to fire Harry Reid as majority leader and get a president that won't veto the repeal.

    In the meantime, the House can just defund the stupid thing.

    The repeal of the Healthcare bill will be THE issue for 2012 in every district. The economy will rebound because companies are getting healthier after the massive layoffs they've had. Unemployment, however, will be a slow trickle back to reasonable levels.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Read your quote:

    by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate.

    Again, you have misread and got the provision completely wrong. It is not what you claim.
    That only pertains to the commissioning of officers.

    Again, how are we supposed to just accept this provision in the bill? Why would we--the people--go along with a para-military group that can be deployed within our borders, that doesn't answer to Congress?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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