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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    All a single payor needs to be is a payor. Doctors still work free of control. The market still works as it did before. And it can be two tier, in which those who can afford more can have more. And taking form tax dollars should be less expensive than unmanged price gouging done by hospitals that charge us all more because they treat people who can't pay.

    But, let's define first:

    Single-payer systems may contract for healthcare services from private organizations (as is the case in Canada) or may own and employ healthcare resources and personnel (as is the case in the United Kingdom). The term single-payer thus only describes the funding mechanism—referring to health care being paid for by a single public body from a single fund—and does not specify the type of delivery, or for whom doctors work. Although the fund holder is usually the government, some forms of single-payer employ a public-private system.

    Single-payer health care - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The problem:

    The reason we spend more and get less than the rest of the world is because we have a patchwork system of for-profit payers. Private insurers necessarily waste health dollars on things that have nothing to do with care: overhead, underwriting, billing, sales and marketing departments as well as huge profits and exorbitant executive pay. Doctors and hospitals must maintain costly administrative staffs to deal with the bureaucracy. Combined, this needless administration consumes one-third (31 percent) of Americans’ health dollars.

    Single-payer financing is the only way to recapture this wasted money. The potential savings on paperwork, more than $350 billion per year, are enough to provide comprehensive coverage to everyone without paying any more than we already do.

    Single-Payer National Health Insurance | Physicians for a National Health Program
    So, a 7 year wait for elective surgery is your idea of a system that works?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    read what you just wrote above.
    How about you explain what you meant in detail?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    All a single payor needs to be is a payor. Doctors still work free of control. The market still works as it did before. And it can be two tier, in which those who can afford more can have more. And taking form tax dollars should be less expensive than unmanged price gouging done by hospitals that charge us all more because they treat people who can't pay.

    But, let's define first:

    Single-payer systems may contract for healthcare services from private organizations (as is the case in Canada) or may own and employ healthcare resources and personnel (as is the case in the United Kingdom). The term single-payer thus only describes the funding mechanism—referring to health care being paid for by a single public body from a single fund—and does not specify the type of delivery, or for whom doctors work. Although the fund holder is usually the government, some forms of single-payer employ a public-private system.

    Single-payer health care - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The problem:

    The reason we spend more and get less than the rest of the world is because we have a patchwork system of for-profit payers. Private insurers necessarily waste health dollars on things that have nothing to do with care: overhead, underwriting, billing, sales and marketing departments as well as huge profits and exorbitant executive pay. Doctors and hospitals must maintain costly administrative staffs to deal with the bureaucracy. Combined, this needless administration consumes one-third (31 percent) of Americans’ health dollars.

    Single-payer financing is the only way to recapture this wasted money. The potential savings on paperwork, more than $350 billion per year, are enough to provide comprehensive coverage to everyone without paying any more than we already do.

    Single-Payer National Health Insurance | Physicians for a National Health Program
    Absolutely amazing spin. Don't get it, what is in it for you? why are you ignoring the number of doctors and hospitals opting out of Medicare because of the limits put upon them by the single payer system? You are buying a pipe dream and for what purpose? Why do you continue to buy what the leftwing tells you? In reality single payer is a disaster, reduces incentive and increases costs. Medicare is an example of single payer and how much waste, fraud, and abuse has been identified. How can there be waste, fraud, and abuse in a govt. run program?

    I believe you support the single payer system not because you actually believe there will be cost savings but instead because there is some personal gain for you.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How about you explain what you meant in detail?
    The sentence I noted was incoherent. Just as was your private army comment. Besides being a kind of paraniod delusional type of comment. I don't think it can be any more clear.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

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    So, a 7 year wait for elective surgery is your idea of a system that works?
    What I find interesting is how liberals ignore history and actual results. The MA healthcare system was the model for Obamacare. Those results are a disaster as people cannot get into a doctor's office thus ER rooms are more overcrowded than ever. Wasn't the MA program supposed to lower costs? now take the MA program and add another 40 million to the roles? That the definition of success to a liberal?

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, a 7 year wait for elective surgery is your idea of a system that works?
    You are likely spouting some misrepresentation from some questionable source. We once looked at wait times here and in Canada, and they were commparable, for example. Having a single payer doesn't effect wait times, especially in the type of system where doctors are nto controlled, but merely paid by the payer.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The sentence I noted was incoherent. Just as was your private army comment. Besides being a kind of paraniod delusional type of comment. I don't think it can be any more clear.
    Are you saying that Obamacare doesn't authorize funding for a para-military force that answers only to the president?
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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You are likely spouting some misrepresentation from some questionable source. We once looked at wait times here and in Canada, and they were commparable, for example. Having a single payer doesn't effect wait times, especially in the type of system where doctors are nto controlled, but merely paid by the payer.
    Whose, "we"? You got a mouse in your pocket?

    CBC News - Health - Wait times for surgery in Canada at all-time high: study
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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Are you saying that Obamacare doesn't authorize funding for a para-military force that answers only to the president?
    Please, provide some CREDIBLE evidence. By all means.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Please, provide some CREDIBLE evidence. By all means.
    It's in the healthcare bill. Surely you've read it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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