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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    From your article:

    So what did these tens of millions do in the past? Get medicaid (a government program) possibly?
    the article said tens of millions of NEW people

    therefore, evidently, they weren't covered

    thus, they went without or they paid their bills when they needed service or they paid part of their bills or they went to er and we all got stuck with the tab...

    ie, they did what they did

    THE PROBLEM is---obamacare makes it all worse

    it adds mega millions to medicare WHILE REDUCING ITS FUNDING, already dire, by HALF A TRIL

    and as for medicaid, where most of the new enrollees end up, the "ghetto of health care," obamacare puts millions of new members on the states' plates "without the money to pay for them"

    do you need the LINKS?

    i don't know why you would, they've been pasted all over this thread

    the sources, i recall quite well, are THE TIMES and THE BOSTON GLOBE

    the gubs who called out THEIR "mother of unfunded mandates" included dems bill richardson from new mexico (perhaps the most corrupt sitting state exec, replaced nov 2 by rising gop star susana martinez, the first hispanic female gub in us history), bill ritter (once a star in colorado who surprised all by announcing he would not seek reelection, ritter is the man who appointed michael bennet from supt of denver public schools to ken salazar's vacant senate seat when the current interior secty was promoted by obama), christine gregoire from WA, brian schweitzer in montana and PHIL BREDESEN (the leader of this blue gub rebellion, who first called out this "mother of unfunded mandates" cited so often by msm's in this discussion, who since the gub meeting where all this angst broke out has written a book calling obamacare "a stunning disappointment," and more)

    bredesen (outgoing dem gub from TN):

    “Government loves complexity, rules and red tape, but we may have outdone ourselves this time,” Bredesen writes. “Reform offered a chance to clean up the baroque system we have created over the years, reduce bureaucracy, lower administrative cost and give clarity and focus to a major part of where we spend our taxpayers’ money.

    “Instead, we created more complexity, more regulations and the need for more bureaucracy.”
    The Daily News Blog More from Bredesen on Health Care

    when you reform one sixth of the united states economy, you're sposed to make things better, you see

    take care

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Ok, Medicaid is 50-50 and is for low income individuals so they are covered, but you said 10's of millions are uninsured and we know that the number is skewed with millions that qualify for Medicaid that don't sign up, the millions that can afford Insurance but CHOOSE not to participate, and millions of illegals' counted in the number of uninsured. What exactly is the number of true Americans that cannot afford insurance and do not qualify for existing programs.
    That number is hard to pin down. For example is it broken bone a person is dealing with or is it a major organ transplant. The financial situation is totally different in both.



    Your story is a good one and why I don't support universal taxpayer funded healthcare and why I say that healthcare is a personal responsibility. Why should taxpayers pay for healthcare for people who abuse their bodies with cigarettes, drugs, booze, or obesity?
    I'm not an angle nor perfect. What gets me is when people are sick in the hospital and pulling **** like that.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Winston53660;1059209678]That number is hard to pin down. For example is it broken bone a person is dealing with or is it a major organ transplant. The financial situation is totally different in both.
    Therein lies the real problem, why present a bill of this magnitude and cost without knowing the real extent of the problem? I have always stated that healthcare was a state and local issue not a Federal issue and without knowing the actual numbers and defining the problem no one can ever solve the problem. Obama's far left ideology is playing a major role here and the majority in this country are rejecting Obamacare.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

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    Therein lies the real problem, why present a bill of this magnitude and cost without knowing the real extent of the problem? I have always stated that healthcare was a state and local issue not a Federal issue and without knowing the actual numbers and defining the problem no one can ever solve the problem. Obama's far left ideology is playing a major role here and the majority in this country are rejecting Obamacare.

    One case can break a locality they will need help and they will go to the feds for this.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    One case can break a locality they will need help and they will go to the feds for this.
    I disagree, states are doing it now, Hawaii, Indiana, and MA. Indiana seems to have a handle on costs and shows what a state can do. I don't buy the Federal involvement in this issue at all as there is no evidence that they won't screw it up and that it won't cost more than projected and do less than projected. Healthcare is a personal responsibility that is better handled in the local communities. This bill does nothing to improve quality, lower costs, and increase access. It is a total and complete lie that repealing it will cost $230 billion. It cannot cost anything to repeal something that hasn't even gone into effect and then use projected savings as a current cost.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

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    I disagree, states are doing it now, Hawaii, Indiana, and MA. Indiana seems to have a handle on costs and shows what a state can do. I don't buy the Federal involvement in this issue at all as there is no evidence that they won't screw it up and that it won't cost more than projected and do less than projected. Healthcare is a personal responsibility that is better handled in the local communities. This bill does nothing to improve quality, lower costs, and increase access. It is a total and complete lie that repealing it will cost $230 billion. It cannot cost anything to repeal something that hasn't even gone into effect and then use projected savings as a current cost.

    They all recieve federal funds and you of all people are bringing up MA as an example?

    God gawd do you have no respect for yourself?

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

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    They all recieve federal funds and you of all people are bringing up MA as an example?

    God gawd do you have no respect for yourself?
    I brought up MA because that is an example of what Obamacare will do for the country. If I point out MA often enough eventually those supporting Obamacare will actually pay attention. The difference is the people of MA voted for that POS legislation and the rest of us don't have to pay for it. That wouldn't be the case with Obamacare

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

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    I brought up MA because that is an example of what Obamacare will do for the country. If I point out MA often enough eventually those supporting Obamacare will actually pay attention. The difference is the people of MA voted for that POS legislation and the rest of us don't have to pay for it. That wouldn't be the case with Obamacare

    With out reform on a national level healthcare will eat more and more of our GDP. As it current stands it is around 16%. That is higher than any other industrialized western nation.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    With out reform on a national level healthcare will eat more and more of our GDP. As it current stands it is around 16%. That is higher than any other industrialized western nation.
    The difference between this country and other countries of the world most of our GDP is private sector generated. That comparison thus is moot. The healthcare industry contributes greatly to our GDP and it doesn't cost taxpayer dollars.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The difference between this country and other countries of the world most of our GDP is private sector generated. That comparison thus is moot. The healthcare industry contributes greatly to our GDP and it doesn't cost taxpayer dollars.

    WTH do you think medicaid and medicare are? Or the VA? Or the CDC? Or the NIH?
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