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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

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    I'm sure you've already figured this out, but you're wasting your time with this character. He is insincere and dishonest. He disparages everyones sources but his own and won't accept any proof, no matter how reputable.

    He recently tried to tell me that my sources were not credible because people he had talked on the street said otherwise. See how dishonest he is ??
    You might try accually addressing me, or the issue. Prof has it completely wrong, misrepresenting what was said, cutting up quotes to not show the context. You can join him if you like, but it would be just as dishonest.

    And that is not what I told you. Didn't I suggest then I could point you to a reading instructor?

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You might try accually addressing me, or the issue. Prof has it completely wrong, misrepresenting what was said, cutting up quotes to not show the context. You can join him if you like, but it would be just as dishonest.

    And that is not what I told you. Didn't I suggest then I could point you to a reading instructor?
    No, the Prof and I both have it right. But thanks for proving my original point.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    No, the Prof and I both have it right. But thanks for proving my original point.


    No, you just can't really argue an issue, so you resort to this tactic, weak as it is.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post


    No, you just can't really argue an issue, so you resort to this tactic, weak as it is.
    I posted this on the other thread as well as posted it yesterday, looks to me like you ignored it just like you ignore anything else that contradicts your opinions. Here is why the CBO numbers are wrong. Pay attention to the assumptions and tell me why you don't agree?

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I posted this on the other thread as well as posted it yesterday, looks to me like you ignored it just like you ignore anything else that contradicts your opinions. Here is why the CBO numbers are wrong. Pay attention to the assumptions and tell me why you don't agree?

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    Is it emotionally comforting for you to believe that you are being ignored instead of facing the alternative that your were heard and utterly rejected as wrong?
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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I posted this on the other thread as well as posted it yesterday, looks to me like you ignored it just like you ignore anything else that contradicts your opinions. Here is why the CBO numbers are wrong. Pay attention to the assumptions and tell me why you don't agree?

    Review & Outlook: ObamaCare's Reality Deficit - WSJ.com

    From your article:

    The government can't subsidize coverage for tens of millions of new people and simultaneously reduce the deficit, as most Americans seem to intuitively understand.
    So what did these tens of millions do in the past? Get medicaid (a government program) possibly?

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Is it emotionally comforting for you to believe that you are being ignored instead of facing the alternative that your were heard and utterly rejected as wrong?
    No, actually I am used to it and have found that you have to post the same information over and over again to a liberal for it to sink in. Some are such blockheads that it never will but I have an obligation to continue to try and educate them. I call it my unpaid, non deductible charity work. Glad you aren't one of those blockheads and got the information.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    From your article:

    So what did these tens of millions do in the past? Get medicaid (a government program) possibly?
    Possibly and if they did it was State funded as most Medicaid is unless mandated from the Federal Govt. I am still waiting for someone to breakdown the uninsured and tell us all how many really cannot afford healthcare insurance? We all know that illegals are included in the number of uninsured and thus they don't qualify, we also know that others have access to insurance but CHOOSE not to participate, and then there are others that qualify for various programs but for whatever reason haven't signed up.

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    rolleyes Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Possibly and if they did it was State funded as most Medicaid is unless mandated from the Federal Govt. I am still waiting for someone to breakdown the uninsured and tell us all how many really cannot afford healthcare insurance? We all know that illegals are included in the number of uninsured and thus they don't qualify, we also know that others have access to insurance but CHOOSE not to participate, and then there are others that qualify for various programs but for whatever reason haven't signed up.

    Well to start you know nothing about medicaid. It is a 50 50 program. The funds are half state the other half are federal

    I am still waiting for someone to breakdown the uninsured and tell us all how many really cannot afford healthcare insurance?
    This is assessed at the state level in regards to medicaid. If they determine you can afford you will not get medicaid.
    We all know that illegals are included in the number of uninsured
    That is not necessarily true. What hey are included in ER services not health care per say. So you are half right and half wrong.


    and then there are others that qualify for various programs but for whatever reason haven't signed up.
    What ticks me off...Let me tell you a true story.



    The other day after an echocardiogram I get on the elevator of the tenth floor aka the cardiac ward. A man gets on the elevator in the classic hospital patient gown. This guy is bitching and moaning about how nobody will do anything for him. The nurses and what not will not do anything.

    In his hand is a cigarette that he is going to smoke. HELLO as a cardiac patient no smoking is allowed and if you do they will kick you out. And they should kick people like that out that flagrantly ignore their own health care.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Well to start you know nothing about medicaid. It is a 50 50 program. The funds are half state the other half are federal



    This is assessed at the state level in regards to medicaid. If they determine you can afford you will not get medicaid.


    That is not necessarily true. What hey are included in ER services not health care per say. So you are half right and half wrong.




    What ticks me off...Let me tell you a true story.



    The other day after an echocardiogram I get on the elevator of the tenth floor aka the cardiac ward. A man gets on the elevator in the classic hospital patient gown. This guy is bitching and moaning about how nobody will do anything for him. The nurses and what not will not do anything.

    In his hand is a cigarette that he is going to smoke. HELLO as a cardiac patient no smoking is allowed and if you do they will kick you out. And they should kick people like that out that flagrantly ignore their own health care.
    Ok, Medicaid is 50-50 and is for low income individuals so they are covered, but you said 10's of millions are uninsured and we know that the number is skewed with millions that qualify for Medicaid that don't sign up, the millions that can afford Insurance but CHOOSE not to participate, and millions of illegals' counted in the number of uninsured. What exactly is the number of true Americans that cannot afford insurance and do not qualify for existing programs.

    Your story is a good one and why I don't support universal taxpayer funded healthcare and why I say that healthcare is a personal responsibility. Why should taxpayers pay for healthcare for people who abuse their bodies with cigarettes, drugs, booze, or obesity?

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