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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Single payor healthcare doesn't work. Why would you want to do that?

    What good is a healthcare reform bill that authorizes the funding of a private army for the president and insitutes more tax laws? Why would you support that?
    Not sure why you insist it doesn't work. I suspect you will soon make some comparison that is irrelevent, and make a leap not supported by facts.

    The second part of your post is knd of over the top. You might want to step back and try to be a little more coherent. If you do, I'll try and respond you that point.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's what blows me away. Libbos readily support a bill that authorizes the president to have a private army.
    Drugs are bad ok.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's what blows me away. Libbos readily support a bill that authorizes the president to have a private army.
    what part of "strong, central government with general police (rather than enumerated) powers" keeps surprising you? it's not like they're that disengenious about what they're after.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure why you insist it doesn't work. I suspect you will soon make some comparison that is irrelevent, and make a leap not supported by facts.

    The second part of your post is knd of over the top. You might want to step back and try to be a little more coherent. If you do, I'll try and respond you that point.
    Give us some exmaples of how it works so well. Thanks in advance.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Boo Radley;1059203041]Not sure why you insist it doesn't work. I suspect you will soon make some comparison that is irrelevent, and make a leap not supported by facts.
    Where are your facts that show a single payer system works and define working? Are you claiming that Medicare and SS are working? You actually think that single payer is going to cut costs? Where is the historical data to support that?

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Drugs are bad ok.
    What's that supposed to me?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    what part of "strong, central government with general police (rather than enumerated) powers" keeps surprising you? it's not like they're that disengenious about what they're after.
    I understand and agree. What boggles my mind, is why Libbos would support such a system. Surely they know that Obama's not going to be president forever. Nor is there any kind of guarantee that another Libbo president, like Obama, is going to take his place. IOW, why would they trust a Conservative president to have his own private army?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    This board is far more liberal than the general public, and yet even here Obamacare is a laughingstock.

    Repeal it, start over, and let's all pretend this never happened.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Give us some exmaples of how it works so well. Thanks in advance.
    All a single payor needs to be is a payor. Doctors still work free of control. The market still works as it did before. And it can be two tier, in which those who can afford more can have more. And taking form tax dollars should be less expensive than unmanged price gouging done by hospitals that charge us all more because they treat people who can't pay.

    But, let's define first:

    Single-payer systems may contract for healthcare services from private organizations (as is the case in Canada) or may own and employ healthcare resources and personnel (as is the case in the United Kingdom). The term single-payer thus only describes the funding mechanism—referring to health care being paid for by a single public body from a single fund—and does not specify the type of delivery, or for whom doctors work. Although the fund holder is usually the government, some forms of single-payer employ a public-private system.

    Single-payer health care - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The problem:

    The reason we spend more and get less than the rest of the world is because we have a patchwork system of for-profit payers. Private insurers necessarily waste health dollars on things that have nothing to do with care: overhead, underwriting, billing, sales and marketing departments as well as huge profits and exorbitant executive pay. Doctors and hospitals must maintain costly administrative staffs to deal with the bureaucracy. Combined, this needless administration consumes one-third (31 percent) of Americans’ health dollars.

    Single-payer financing is the only way to recapture this wasted money. The potential savings on paperwork, more than $350 billion per year, are enough to provide comprehensive coverage to everyone without paying any more than we already do.

    Single-Payer National Health Insurance | Physicians for a National Health Program

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What's that supposed to me?
    read what you just wrote above.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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