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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Do you realize the American people actually think this law doesn't go far enough?
    absolutely

    that's why the american people ripped the gavel out of NANCY PELOSI'S palsied palm to give it to the orange dude who cries

    LOL!

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Objective Voice;1059203898]I'm not buying anything the Administration tells me. I can read, you know. There's plenty of information out there on the health care issue. Why do you continue supporting ideals that are contradictory?
    How did we survive all these years without Obamacare? What is out that there states that the Federal Govt. can handle the healthcare issue. Since healthcare is a personal responsibility any program to solve the problem rests closer to the people and that isn't the Federal Govt. but instead is the local and state governments.

    You want people to be responsible for themselves, yet here we are debating the merits of "freedom of choice" over "personal responsibility". That's really what this health care debate boils down to. It's really not about providing health care options to those who can't afford to buy health insurance. It's about people who can afford to buy insurance, but instead are sticking up for their right to choose to buy or not to buy insurance for themselves and would rather refuse to do so dispite knowing that this goes contrary to "being responsible".
    We don't need a Federal Mandate to solve the problems of people not being able to afford healthcare. What we need is the ability to sell across the state lines, eliminate tort reform, and handle the illegal alien issue. How many of those people who do not have healthcare have the ability to purchase it but choose not to? How many are illegal aliens? You think we need this Federal Mandate for the rest?


    For me, it's a common sense thing plus personal responsibility. If I'm employeed and my salary is enough that I can afford to buy health insurance, I'll buy it. If not, I'll do like every other poor person and find a program I can afford to insure myself and my family - socialized or otherwise. But atleast I'm "being responsible".
    Life is about making choices, sometimes the things you want get in the way of the things you need. What about the people who can afford healthcare but choose not to purchase it? The number that cannot afford healthcare doesn't require a 2400 page govt. mandate that does nothing to improve access or quality. MA is a perfect example of what is going to happen.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    that article was witten in June 2008, well before he was POTUS, so it couldn't be part of his bill
    putting medical records online, not part of his bill?

    LOL!

    Obama says his health care plan will garner large savings – $120 billion a year, or $2,500 per family – with more than half coming from the use of electronic health records. And he says he'll make that happen in his first term. We find his statements to be overly optimistic, misleading and, to some extent, contradicted by one of his own advisers. And it masks the true cost of his plan to cover millions of Americans who now have no health insurance.
    Factcheck.org: Obama's Inflated Health 'Savings' - Newsweek

    and that's according to EVAN THOMAS' team

    june, 2009: In Televised Address, Obama Seeks to Calm Nation's Fears About Health-Care Reform - washingtonpost.com

    Addressing what he called "entirely legitimate" skepticism, the president vowed that health-care reform would drive down costs, eventually saving families thousands of dollars. But he struggled to explain how any of the measures under consideration would fulfill that promise.

    For the past week, Obama has engaged in a two-pronged campaign to woo recalcitrant lawmakers and sell nervous voters from the bully pulpit. The news conference seemed to be intended less to stake out new ground than to calm a nation still reeling from the economic meltdown. "The American people are understandably queasy about the huge deficits and debt that we're facing right now," he said.

    The president has been under pressure to explain how far-reaching legislation would translate into eventual savings for families, businesses and the government. Over the long term, Obama said, he anticipates slowing the rate of health-care spending by digitizing medical records, eliminating duplication and waste, and revolutionizing the way doctors are paid.

    He rejected the idea that reform would require sacrifice for most, and dismissed suggestions that Medicare spending might decrease, raising costs for seniors.
    that's it, that's how he SAYS he's gonna payfor 30 million new members (while cutting medicare half a tril)---online records, wfa and cutting doctors' pay 25%

    as for "revolutionizing how doctors are paid," the house and senate did the doc fix in december, about a QUARTER TRIL over ten years OFF BUDGET

    http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch...backed-doc-fix

    some of you folks REALLY need to read more

    obamacare is a charlatan
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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    putting medical records online, not part of his bill?

    LOL!
    Thanks for revealing you don't have a clue about health care reform -- saves us from reading the rest of your post.

    Go GOP!! Roll us backwards, you did so well last decade!!

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If the Democrats, Obama included, keep leaning so far left, the outcome of the 2012 election is a foregone conclusion.
    absolutely

    and the senate too, by a substantial margin

    Tougher road ahead for Senate Dems - Shira Toeplitz - POLITICO.com

    dems in north dakota, nebraska, montana, florida, missouri, west virginia, virginia, pennsylvania, ohio, new mexico, wisconsin, michigan and minnesota are UP

    in additon, difi will be 80, cantwell's washington has been 50-50, chris christie is ripping up jersey (robert menendez) and jiltin joe lieberman is HOMELESS

    on the flip side, every republican (there are only 10) up for reelection in 12 is considered safe except chappaquiddick's scott brown (and maverick #41 is rising, politically)

    another good point, thanks

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If the Democrats, Obama included, keep leaning so far left, the outcome of the 2012 election is a far gone conclusion.
    The U.S.A... fun while is lasted.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Do you REALLY believe that Obama care is importing in 30 million sick people to our country? I mean really, that's rediculous. Most of those 30 million aint sick, and many of them already regularly pay for their health care out of their pocket just like I do. I am totally against Obama care, but to claim that it is adding 30 million new sick people to our medical system is rediculous.
    tell it to the WHIP

    from the op:

    "'Not only would repeal of health care reform add to our deficit, it would dump more than 30 million Americans from coverage who will be protected by our new health care reform act," said Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Illinois."

    There are millions of people just like me who don't have health insurance because we choose not to have it. That doesn't mean we arnt already recieving health care, it just means that we don't have health insurance. YOU DONT HAVE TO HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE TO RECIEVE HEALTH CARE. Many of us are perfectly capable of forking out $60-$100 for a typical doctor visit or $2,000 for a broken bone, or even $10,000 for an operation. I personally find that paying cash for a $10,000 operation is much cheaper than paying $10,000 a year for insurance because I don't have a $10,000 operation every year.
    then you're gonna be breaking the law

    and according to senate finance's chief of staff if you don't pay your fines you can be put in jail

    Buy Insurance or Go to Jail? - The Note

    http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/Polit...old_letter.pdf

    indeed, the then speakeress was asked point blank, must people go to jail for not buying health insurance

    and she sure didn't say no

    LOL!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUkzV8h3Wp0

    it was big news at the time, where were you?

    don't worry about it, tho, with members like mccaskill against it the mandate will likely be unmade

    Docs really don't mind ripping off the insurance companies because they know that the insurance companies simply rip off their customers. Both the health care providers and the insurance companies LIKE IT THIS WAY, because it makes them rich.
    that is, sadly, extremely true
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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

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    How did we survive all these years without Obamacare?
    Hundreds of thousands of people did not survive. They died without it because they had no insurance.
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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

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    Hundreds of thousands of people did not survive. They died without it because they had no insurance.
    Really? So drug abuse, obesity, smoking, and drinking had no affect? Life expectancy in this country has increased every year. You really think that liberals give a damn about people living longer? They want the revenue and the power and that i what it is all about. Healthcare is a personal responsibility not a Federal Responsibility. Now if you want to pay for my healthcare, send me a check. Thanks.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How did we survive all these years without Obamacare?
    By going into the debt. Running medicare into the ground. Helping big pharma get rich with an unfunded prescription drug bill.

    All those ass-backwards GOP policies.

    Hardly surviving, but whatever you say sport.

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