How did we survive all these years without Obamacare? What is out that there states that the Federal Govt. can handle the healthcare issue. Since healthcare is a personal responsibility any program to solve the problem rests closer to the people and that isn't the Federal Govt. but instead is the local and state governments.Objective Voice;1059203898]I'm not buying anything the Administration tells me. I can read, you know. There's plenty of information out there on the health care issue. Why do you continue supporting ideals that are contradictory?
We don't need a Federal Mandate to solve the problems of people not being able to afford healthcare. What we need is the ability to sell across the state lines, eliminate tort reform, and handle the illegal alien issue. How many of those people who do not have healthcare have the ability to purchase it but choose not to? How many are illegal aliens? You think we need this Federal Mandate for the rest?You want people to be responsible for themselves, yet here we are debating the merits of "freedom of choice" over "personal responsibility". That's really what this health care debate boils down to. It's really not about providing health care options to those who can't afford to buy health insurance. It's about people who can afford to buy insurance, but instead are sticking up for their right to choose to buy or not to buy insurance for themselves and would rather refuse to do so dispite knowing that this goes contrary to "being responsible".
Life is about making choices, sometimes the things you want get in the way of the things you need. What about the people who can afford healthcare but choose not to purchase it? The number that cannot afford healthcare doesn't require a 2400 page govt. mandate that does nothing to improve access or quality. MA is a perfect example of what is going to happen.For me, it's a common sense thing plus personal responsibility. If I'm employeed and my salary is enough that I can afford to buy health insurance, I'll buy it. If not, I'll do like every other poor person and find a program I can afford to insure myself and my family - socialized or otherwise. But atleast I'm "being responsible".
Factcheck.org: Obama's Inflated Health 'Savings' - NewsweekObama says his health care plan will garner large savings – $120 billion a year, or $2,500 per family – with more than half coming from the use of electronic health records. And he says he'll make that happen in his first term. We find his statements to be overly optimistic, misleading and, to some extent, contradicted by one of his own advisers. And it masks the true cost of his plan to cover millions of Americans who now have no health insurance.
and that's according to EVAN THOMAS' team
june, 2009: In Televised Address, Obama Seeks to Calm Nation's Fears About Health-Care Reform - washingtonpost.com
that's it, that's how he SAYS he's gonna payfor 30 million new members (while cutting medicare half a tril)---online records, wfa and cutting doctors' pay 25%Addressing what he called "entirely legitimate" skepticism, the president vowed that health-care reform would drive down costs, eventually saving families thousands of dollars. But he struggled to explain how any of the measures under consideration would fulfill that promise.
For the past week, Obama has engaged in a two-pronged campaign to woo recalcitrant lawmakers and sell nervous voters from the bully pulpit. The news conference seemed to be intended less to stake out new ground than to calm a nation still reeling from the economic meltdown. "The American people are understandably queasy about the huge deficits and debt that we're facing right now," he said.
The president has been under pressure to explain how far-reaching legislation would translate into eventual savings for families, businesses and the government. Over the long term, Obama said, he anticipates slowing the rate of health-care spending by digitizing medical records, eliminating duplication and waste, and revolutionizing the way doctors are paid.
He rejected the idea that reform would require sacrifice for most, and dismissed suggestions that Medicare spending might decrease, raising costs for seniors.
as for "revolutionizing how doctors are paid," the house and senate did the doc fix in december, about a QUARTER TRIL over ten years OFF BUDGET
some of you folks REALLY need to read more
obamacare is a charlatan
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and the senate too, by a substantial margin
Tougher road ahead for Senate Dems - Shira Toeplitz - POLITICO.com
dems in north dakota, nebraska, montana, florida, missouri, west virginia, virginia, pennsylvania, ohio, new mexico, wisconsin, michigan and minnesota are UP
in additon, difi will be 80, cantwell's washington has been 50-50, chris christie is ripping up jersey (robert menendez) and jiltin joe lieberman is HOMELESS
on the flip side, every republican (there are only 10) up for reelection in 12 is considered safe except chappaquiddick's scott brown (and maverick #41 is rising, politically)
another good point, thanks
from the op:
"'Not only would repeal of health care reform add to our deficit, it would dump more than 30 million Americans from coverage who will be protected by our new health care reform act," said Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Illinois."
then you're gonna be breaking the lawThere are millions of people just like me who don't have health insurance because we choose not to have it. That doesn't mean we arnt already recieving health care, it just means that we don't have health insurance. YOU DONT HAVE TO HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE TO RECIEVE HEALTH CARE. Many of us are perfectly capable of forking out $60-$100 for a typical doctor visit or $2,000 for a broken bone, or even $10,000 for an operation. I personally find that paying cash for a $10,000 operation is much cheaper than paying $10,000 a year for insurance because I don't have a $10,000 operation every year.
and according to senate finance's chief of staff if you don't pay your fines you can be put in jail
Buy Insurance or Go to Jail? - The Note
indeed, the then speakeress was asked point blank, must people go to jail for not buying health insurance
and she sure didn't say no
it was big news at the time, where were you?
don't worry about it, tho, with members like mccaskill against it the mandate will likely be unmade
that is, sadly, extremely trueDocs really don't mind ripping off the insurance companies because they know that the insurance companies simply rip off their customers. Both the health care providers and the insurance companies LIKE IT THIS WAY, because it makes them rich.
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Hundreds of thousands of people did not survive. They died without it because they had no insurance.How did we survive all these years without Obamacare?
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