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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

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    Congress didnt make it mandatory. (either did obama)
    Obamacare doesn't make purchasing health insurance mandatory?
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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No more than they took over your choice to drive an automobile without auto insurance.
    How does government control in another area counter government control with regards to the health care/insurance industry precisely? Driving an automobile is also still a choice, even if it were relevant, it's not the same is it.

    And no, regulations and standards do not equal control. The government is not running either. I'm sorry, but noen of what you're claiming is factually accurate.
    Most certainly they do. What is a regulation by definition if not the government dictating what behavior is and is not legal?
    Maybe what you meant is they don't equate to "takeover" (which is a red herring, it's about control).

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Wow, an article claiming that repeal would cost $230 billion with not one single example of how this could be possible. Great job CNN. Easy to see why no one watches you any more.

    I'll side with Paul Ryan. He's a bit more credible on the subject and said that he would eat his tie if this outlandish claim actually turned out to be correct.
    Actually that WOULD be correct. It WOULD cost that much if not MORE! Even Fox News mentioned it!

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    How does government control in another area counter government control with regards to the health care/insurance industry precisely? Driving an automobile is also still a choice, even if it were relevant, it's not the same is it.
    The only difference is the ability to opt out of care. An injuried person will be treated. But, the premise is the same, and the lack of choice is the same. If you want to drive, you are required to buy auto insurance.

    Most certainly they do. What is a regulation by definition if not the government dictating what behavior is and is not legal?
    Maybe what you meant is they don't equate to "takeover" (which is a red herring, it's about control).
    Hardly. No. We have regulations on all kinds of things, and we're not running around calling the government in control. it only provides regulations for various reasons, some helping business. it is too narraw and ina ccurate view to ask for no regulation. And lack of regulation has often hurts asmuch, if not more, than no regulation over the years.

    Nor is regulation illegal. We have a long history of government regulation.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    But that's just it! Neither side can make such claims without the health care bill being scored by the CBO. Thus, both side have used the same CBO's estimates to support their cause which we both know is either side simply playing political, partisan games.

    Still, does it make sense to you that the GOP would be so reliant on the CBO's estimates in one situation, but as soon as that same non-partisan group says that what the GOP is trying to do will have a negative impact on the deficit suddenly what the CBO says is not trustworthy?

    You either believe what the CBO is putting forth or you don't; either their estimates are reliable and credible or they're not. Which is it?

    If not credible, then STOP QUOTING THEM TO YOUR ADVANTAGE!

    If credible, then take heed in what they say.

    It's just that simple.

    The GOP are the ones who look foolish when they stand firm in their position to repeal health care reform when their position is based squarely on the cost estimates of the non-partisan agency that now warns them there will be an economic drawback should the law be repealled. IMO, the best thing the GOP can do is work w/the Dems to fix what they view is broken with the law.
    Where have Republicans stated that the CBO did anything wrong ???

    Answer: They haven't. They said the Dems gave the CBO lousy assumptions to base their calculations on.

    Garbage in - Garbage out.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No more than they took over your choice to drive an automobile without auto insurance.

    And no, regulations and standards do not equal control. The government is not running either. I'm sorry, but noen of what you're claiming is factually accurate.
    Does the federal government require everyone to have auto insurance ???

    Does the federal government require my 8 yo grandaughter to have auto insurance ???

    Name another service or product that the federal government requires every man, woman, and child in the country to buy from a private company ...

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not much. We adjust. But there is really no likihood that's wrong, and it is almost certain that you are.
    Wrong, we know what we have now but we don't know what is going to happen in 3 more years although we have a picture from MA, a picture that you want to ignore. Makes me believe this is either an act on your part or you stand to do quite well with Obamacare in place. Better get used to disappointment.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Wrong, we know what we have now but we don't know what is going to happen in 3 more years although we have a picture from MA, a picture that you want to ignore. Makes me believe this is either an act on your part or you stand to do quite well with Obamacare in place. Better get used to disappointment.
    Hospitals haven't closed in MA either. Again, you're overraching here, badly. Sorry.
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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Actually that WOULD be correct. It WOULD cost that much if not MORE! Even Fox News mentioned it!

    Obviously you want to ignore the assumptions that the Congress gave the CBO. By ignoring those assumptions you destroy your credibility. Where are the savings if those assumptions are accurate? When was the last time the CBO was accurate with projections 10 years out? They didn't even get the stimulus right but now they have the answer to what is going to happen 10 years from now? LOL, this is really entertaining.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Does the federal government require everyone to have auto insurance ???

    Does the federal government require my 8 yo grandaughter to have auto insurance ???

    Name another service or product that the federal government requires every man, woman, and child in the country to buy from a private company ...
    Everyone who wants to drive yes. You distinction has no point. It is a limitation of choice all the same.

    And you eight year old grand daughter doesn't drive. if she did, she'd have to hacve insurance. however, she may well need health care, and if she is not covered, she will burden others, the ssame reasoning for having auto insurance.

    Again, you are side stepping the issue and ignoring the actual issue.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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