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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's a matter of opinion to say the least. I'm sure you won't mind if a lot of people disagee. And I have linked for you in the past doctors who disagree with you, as well as many others.

    And no, it isn't a take over process. No one is taking over anything.
    Look, I know you aren't that naive, who is going to bailout the people when they cannot get service, when the doctors drop patients, and hospitals close down? Incrementalism!

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Look, I know you aren't that naive, who is going to bailout the people when they cannot get service, when the doctors drop patients, and hospitals close down? Incrementalism!
    Do you have trouble with parinoia? That won't happen. Sorry. You're over reaching here.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    exactly. and the stipulation is fine as well. it's too bad this won't happen, i have a feeling the majority of people would opt in.
    If Obama believed that, he wouldn't have made it mandatory.
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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If Obama believed that, he wouldn't have made it mandatory.
    Congress didnt make it mandatory. (either did obama)
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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Do you have trouble with parinoia? That won't happen. Sorry. You're over reaching here.
    What happens if you are wrong? Maybe you are that naive.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    So you are claiming the government did, or did not, take over my choice to not purchase health insurance? Because I'm pretty sure it states that I will have to (when it goes active), purchase health insurance, under federal penalty.

    Doesn't it also put similar requirements on private enterprises that sell insurance, or administer health care? Do you think it's appropriate to suggest that "Takeover" implies controls every single decision? A slave decided a lot of things on their own, but still a slave, no? (not equating it to slavery, just the first analogy I typed).

    The idea that health care, and health insurance, should have significant government involved at all, is the argument libertarians pose.
    No more than they took over your choice to drive an automobile without auto insurance.

    And no, regulations and standards do not equal control. The government is not running either. I'm sorry, but noen of what you're claiming is factually accurate.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What happens if you are wrong? Maybe you are that naive.
    Not much. We adjust. But there is really no likihood that's wrong, and it is almost certain that you are.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Sounds simple to me:

    They thought the assumptions used by the CBO initially were sound, but those used in the second were garbage. No Republican that I've heard has criticized the CBO, they've only criticized the assumptions that the Dems gave the CBO.
    But that's just it! Neither side can make such claims without the health care bill being scored by the CBO. Thus, both side have used the same CBO's estimates to support their cause which we both know is either side simply playing political, partisan games.

    Still, does it make sense to you that the GOP would be so reliant on the CBO's estimates in one situation, but as soon as that same non-partisan group says that what the GOP is trying to do will have a negative impact on the deficit suddenly what the CBO says is not trustworthy?

    You either believe what the CBO is putting forth or you don't; either their estimates are reliable and credible or they're not. Which is it?

    If not credible, then STOP QUOTING THEM TO YOUR ADVANTAGE!

    If credible, then take heed in what they say.

    It's just that simple.

    The GOP are the ones who look foolish when they stand firm in their position to repeal health care reform when their position is based squarely on the cost estimates of the non-partisan agency that now warns them there will be an economic drawback should the law be repealled. IMO, the best thing the GOP can do is work w/the Dems to fix what they view is broken with the law.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No more than they took over your choice to drive an automobile without auto insurance.
    Regulating transporation is an actuall legit power of the government. Try again
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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Regulating transporation is an actuall legit power of the government. Try again
    It's an opinioon as to what is legit. The courts will settle that issue. But factually, one is no more a removal of choice than the other.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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