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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    That's the price America pays for voting in a bunch of incompetents, led by a tri-fecta of incompetents.

    Better to repeal it, put the issue to bed for another 20-years, and in the mean time we can watch the great care the Eurosocialists are giving to their Baby Boomers. Their systems are bust now, and there is going to be a wave of Baby Boomers coming into retirement, and all the aches and pains of getting old. What then?

    It all sounds so good, until the bill comes in for the inefficiencies and incompetence of government. Most of our 13,000,000,000,000 bit of trouble is mostly ineffciencies, incompetence and ignorance.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Vote both A and B out and elect C. Did you notice what happened to the Dems in November?
    yeah, the same thing that usually happens in off year elections.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Most of the world has some form of universal insuirer, and why all have some probelms, so does our system. If access is important, and I think it is, there is little doubt that a universal payer system provides better access for all. now, we can modify, make changes, address weaknesses, resopnd to new problems we find. But, the fact is our system limits access, hurts business, and costs a ton for less than the rest the rest of the world receives. that should be reason to open the discussions and to seek real reform.
    The problem with our system doesn't require a 2400 page bill that is filled with regulation and higher costs to employers. Real reform isn't what Obama did, he started the takeover process.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    absolutely not. it would be their choice, that's all. how could any good conservative be against choice? seems to me you either like the plan or you don't. i like it, i would opt in, and gladly pay for it. you don't, you opt out. just don't put yourself in the position of needing help, that's all. easy, right? 'cause we are all responsible for our own situation, right? if you are against protecting people and ensuring adequate healthcare, then you can't be FOR it when you're the one in need. right?

    So, basically, "if you opt and need help, **** you"?

    I'll go along with that, as long as there's a stipulation to my opting out that guarantees that I won't have to spend a single dime to bailout this system when it goes belly up.
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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The problem with our system doesn't require a 2400 page bill that is filled with regulation and higher costs to employers. Real reform isn't what Obama did, he started the takeover process.
    That's a matter of opinion to say the least. I'm sure you won't mind if a lot of people disagee. And I have linked for you in the past doctors who disagree with you, as well as many others.

    And no, it isn't a take over process. No one is taking over anything.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    yeah, the same thing that usually happens in off year elections.
    It didn't happen for 50 years, prior to '94. It didn't happen for 12 years, prior to '07. So, it doesn't usually happen.

    I know you like to think that the Dems didn't cock things up in just three short years, but I don't that's going to work for you.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, basically, "if you opt and need help, **** you"?

    I'll go along with that, as long as there's a stipulation to my opting out that guarantees that I won't have to spend a single dime to bailout this system when it goes belly up.
    exactly. and the stipulation is fine as well. it's too bad this won't happen, i have a feeling the majority of people would opt in.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And no, it isn't a take over process. No one is taking over anything.
    So you are claiming the government did, or did not, take over my choice to not purchase health insurance? Because I'm pretty sure it states that I will have to (when it goes active), purchase health insurance, under federal penalty.

    Doesn't it also put similar requirements on private enterprises that sell insurance, or administer health care? Do you think it's appropriate to suggest that "Takeover" implies controls every single decision? A slave decided a lot of things on their own, but still a slave, no? (not equating it to slavery, just the first analogy I typed).

    The idea that health care, and health insurance, should have significant government involved at all, is the argument libertarians pose.
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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It didn't happen for 50 years, prior to '94. It didn't happen for 12 years, prior to '07. So, it doesn't usually happen.

    I know you like to think that the Dems didn't cock things up in just three short years, but I don't that's going to work for you.
    you're right, my mistake. i didn't pay to much attention prior to 94.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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