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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    he specifically DID mean insurance companies, as they are the companies that are affected by the limit in compensation deductions. not mcdonalds.
    I thought he was talking about companies that received waivers for Obamacare.

    Which brings up the question: if it's such a wonderful idea, why all the waivers?
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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I thought he was talking about companies that received waivers for Obamacare.

    Which brings up the question: if it's such a wonderful idea, why all the waivers?
    i don't know, i'll research.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, part of the piecemeal problem. Because we have a need not filled by medicare, something a universial payer would handle more effectively, we have to work on the overall system. You keep addressing existing problems, and blaming reform for them, eventhough they were here before reform. What we need is more reform, and not repeal.
    Still waiting for you to show me a universal payer system that is effective, cost effective, and reduces ER usage? Only in the liberal world is more reform less costly when the reality shows that not to be the case. I am still waiting for you to tell us how Obamacare affects you?

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    actually, why don't we allow PEOPLE to opt out, and insist they sign an agreement staing they will never be able to opt back in, like when their insurance company denies them coverage, or they want to change jobs and can't because of a pre existing condition, or they can't afford insurance. they don't pay extra, and they don't get any befefits. i'm all for that.
    IOW, punish people who don't play your game?

    This is still The United States. Isn't it?
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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Actually I'm a bit involved in all this stuff and the reports you are hearing are a bit preliminary. I doubt most hospitals are going to drop medicare. They just don't know what is going on with all the changes. I know this because I was talking with my transplant financial adviser this morning.
    45 doctor owned hospitals have stopped construction and hospitals all over the country are dropping Medicare.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    45 doctor owned hospitals have stopped construction and hospitals all over the country are dropping Medicare.

    Name the hospitals.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    What are you suppose to do when you think both the Democrat's plan and the GOP's plan are bat**** insane?

    Is there an option C here?
    Vote both A and B out and elect C. Did you notice what happened to the Dems in November?
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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Still waiting for you to show me a universal payer system that is effective, cost effective, and reduces ER usage? Only in the liberal world is more reform less costly when the reality shows that not to be the case. I am still waiting for you to tell us how Obamacare affects you?
    Most of the world has some form of universal insuirer, and why all have some probelms, so does our system. If access is important, and I think it is, there is little doubt that a universal payer system provides better access for all. now, we can modify, make changes, address weaknesses, resopnd to new problems we find. But, the fact is our system limits access, hurts business, and costs a ton for less than the rest the rest of the world receives. that should be reason to open the discussions and to seek real reform.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    IOW, punish people who don't play your game?

    This is still The United States. Isn't it?
    absolutely not. it would be their choice, that's all. how could any good conservative be against choice? seems to me you either like the plan or you don't. i like it, i would opt in, and gladly pay for it. you don't, you opt out. just don't put yourself in the position of needing help, that's all. easy, right? 'cause we are all responsible for our own situation, right? if you are against protecting people and ensuring adequate healthcare, then you can't be FOR it when you're the one in need. right?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Most of the world has some form of universal insuirer, and why all have some probelms, so does our system. If access is important, and I think it is, there is little doubt that a universal payer system provides better access for all. now, we can modify, make changes, address weaknesses, resopnd to new problems we find. But, the fact is our system limits access, hurts business, and costs a ton for less than the rest the rest of the world receives. that should be reason to open the discussions and to seek real reform.
    Do Greece and Ireland have single payer systems?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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