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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I do not support it wholesale, but I support much of it. It needs work to avoid the pitfalls of European models, but I do that Europe's and Japan's life expectancy, birth mortality rate, and health overall are better than that in the US, who ranks way towards the bottom on many health areas.
    I would say to be fair, some of that life expectancy, and health overall comes from better diet overall and better habits in general, especially in Japan and in Asia in general. Not nessecarily as a result of better Health Care.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I do not support it wholesale, but I support much of it. It needs work to avoid the pitfalls of European models, but I do that Europe's and Japan's life expectancy, birth mortality rate, and health overall are better than that in the US, who ranks way towards the bottom on many health areas.
    It certainly needs work. It is no where near any European model. There is no universal payer. It has right now many of it's own problems. But we certainly agree that we can move forward, make improvements. And if congress actually tackled this with the idea of making it better, and not with maintaining the status quo, we could create something better than Europe has. I know it is too much to ask for, but if one is going to dream, one migth as well dream big.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    What I find interesting from the GOP/Boehner is that while they were quick to jump on the initial cost estimated published by the CBO - figures that were based largely on the original health care reform bill that passed the House, but never got through the Senate - they are now dismissing CBO figures that state plainly that repealling the health care law will cost billions over the next 10-years.

    How is it that the CBO's figures are good enough to support the GOP's original position of "big health care price tag" then, but dismiss the CBO when it warns against the cost of repeal?

    (And no, Conservative...you don't get to use the claim that the CBO's estimates are just estimates, are meaningless and the CBO is never right.)

    If the CBO's figures were good enough to use as a political tool to "inform" (and by that I really mean "scare") the public of the high cost of implementing health care reform legislation, then they should be just as good to "inform" the public (and thus, warn the GOP) that repealling same will also have negative economic consequences.

    You can't have it both ways - using a non-partisan government agency's estimates to support your cause but dismiss them when your cause is no longer defensable economically.
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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I would say to be fair, some of that life expectancy, and health overall comes from better diet overall and better habits in general, especially in Japan and in Asia in general. Not nessecarily as a result of better Health Care.
    There are a lot of factors involved, to be sure. We should not ignore that overall. But I think that while we can say health care is pretty good here for those who have access to good health care, we can also say that we have a lot with limited access to care who are not doing as well. We do have an access problem here in the US.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's why it should be mandatory that all have insurance. If you don't get it before you're broken, and you can't get it after you're broken, then you either have to suffer, or we pay for you one way or another. And people who are not covered do get treated after they are broken. And we do pay for them.
    Its the government that said everyone must get care, so your argument has little to no value to me when it comes to the idea it costs us one way or the other.

    Still, all groups cost the hospital and the people money. Its just a matter of how much.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    What I find interesting from the GOP/Boehner is that while they were quick to jump on the initial cost estimated published by the CBO - figures that were based largely on the original health care reform bill that passed the House, but never got through the Senate - they are now dismissing CBO figures that states plainly that repealling the health care law will cost billions over the next 10-years.

    How is it that the CBO's figures are good enough to support the GOP's original position of "big health care price tag" then, but dismiss the CBO when it warns against the cost of repeal?

    (And no, Conservative...you don't get to use the claim that the CBO's estimates are just estimates, are meaningless and the CBO is never right. If the CBO's figures were good enough to use as a political tool to "inform" (and by that I really mean "scare") the public of the high cost of implementing health care reform legislation, then they should be just as good to "inform" the public (and thus, warn the GOP) that repealling same will also have negative economic consequences.

    You can't have it both ways - using a non-partisan government agency's estimates to support your cause but dismiss them when your cause is no longer defensable economically.
    Sounds simple to me:

    They thought the assumptions used by the CBO initially were sound, but those used in the second were garbage. No Republican that I've heard has criticized the CBO, they've only criticized the assumptions that the Dems gave the CBO.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    what does that have to do with what i posted? you were wrong in your assertion, and i don't have any problem with limiting deductions for salaries. the gov't did it with tarp, and there's absloutley NO REASON for insurance execs to make millions of dollars for denying coverage to people who need it.
    I have a huge problem with the government reducing deductions for salaries.
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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    That's what happens when the Dems. pass a Socialistic bill that most of the country doesn't want. Reps. are just doing what the people want and that's what elections are for.
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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There are a lot of factors involved, to be sure. We should not ignore that overall. But I think that while we can say health care is pretty good here for those who have access to good health care, we can also say that we have a lot with limited access to care who are not doing as well. We do have an access problem here in the US.
    No argument from me on that one.

    I believe what we should start putting much more emphasis on is Preventative care as opposed to the sometimes dogmatic approach of only dealing with a problem once it arises.

    Countries like Japan are way ahead in this field, and a lot of that is down to the individual habits of the society in general.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    what does that have to do with what i posted? you were wrong in your assertion, and i don't have any problem with limiting deductions for salaries. the gov't did it with tarp, and there's absloutley NO REASON for insurance execs to make millions of dollars for denying coverage to people who need it.
    It is the entire point, Hundreds of companies are seeking and getting exemptions to opt out of Obamacare thus exempting them for limiting deductions. If they aren't included then they are exempt from the regulations in the bill.

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