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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The government didn't forcibly reduce the authorized operating captical, before Obamacare was passed.



    You can't cut operating capital, increase operating costs and expect anything other than an increase in premiums. To think that volume is going to displace the increase in operating costs in this situation is the dumbest thing that anyone could ever think of.

    At some point common sense has to take over.
    You're not listening. You're stuck on a talking point, repeating it without addressing the point. Premiums were raised, for some like me doubled, before reform. What caused that? Companies were dropping insurance coverage, before reform. what caused that?

    Costs in opperating should be offset by new customers, most of which are more likley to be well and not in need of immediate service. Logically, there should be nmore profit for insurance companies and no need to raise premiums.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    That's what I read:



    Interesting read on all the "special" perks the AARP got for supporting this bill: Rove: ObamaCare Rewards Friends, Punishes Enemies - WSJ.com
    you read wrong, it seems. companies can no longer DEDUCT over 500k. so, they can pay them whatever they choose, and face the stockholders' wrath.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Where do you keep saying that? Operating funds are not cut, nor are costs increased. The system will be streamlined, that is a cut in cost. More will pay into the system, that is an increase. Is that not common sense to you? Perhaps you just can't see the forest for the trees?
    Sounds like you support Obamacare and the question is why? Do you buy the liberal hype that you can add another 40 million to the health care roles and lower costs? Did you read the assumptions in the Healthcare bill that the CBO scored? Suggest you read those assumptions and ask yourself how many are realistic. Want to see how Obamacare is going to work, check out MA.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    you read wrong, it seems. companies can no longer DEDUCT over 500k. so, they can pay them whatever they choose, and face the stockholders' wrath.
    Really??? So it doesn't state this:

    The AARP is also exempt from the new law's $500,000 cap on executive compensation for insurance executives. (The nonprofit's last CEO received over $1.5 million in compensation in his last full year, 2009.)


    Oops !!

    Upon further review, it appears you are correct. However, I don't see how its legal to limit salary deductions from only one industry and not others. Don't see how this could pass constitutional muster.
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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    you read wrong, it seems. companies can no longer DEDUCT over 500k. so, they can pay them whatever they choose, and face the stockholders' wrath.
    Explain to me why so many companies are seeking and receiving exemptions from Obamacare?

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Sounds like you support Obamacare and the question is why? Do you buy the liberal hype that you can add another 40 million to the health care roles and lower costs? Did you read the assumptions in the Healthcare bill that the CBO scored? Suggest you read those assumptions and ask yourself how many are realistic. Want to see how Obamacare is going to work, check out MA.
    I do not support it wholesale, but I support much of it. It needs work to avoid the pitfalls of European models, but I do that Europe's and Japan's life expectancy, birth mortality rate, and health overall are better than that in the US, who ranks way towards the bottom on many health areas.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Where are these 400,000 jobs? Were they created in the last six months? They just passed the stupid thing.

    And I thought Harvard was an institution of higher learning.

    Doesn't it seem like the politically expedient thing to say?
    Perhaps you should read the article.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    What planet does a person live on where an increase in customers, decreases operating costs?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I do not support it wholesale, but I support much of it. It needs work to avoid the pitfalls of European models, but I do that Europe's and Japan's life expectancy, birth mortality rate, and health overall are better than that in the US, who ranks way towards the bottom on many health areas.
    What role does lifestyle play in life expectancy? Healthcare is a personal responsibility and thus do you believe it is your responsibility to fund my healthcare if I over eat, take drugs, and drink too much? We have a country of over 308 million people with 308 million different lifestyles. Anytime you try to regulate or manage someone else's lifestyle all you do is create a disaster. I believe in personal responsibility not govt. regulation to save people from themselves. There is a reason that the U.S. ranks near the bottom and it has nothing to do with healthcare access.

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    Re: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Explain to me why so many companies are seeking and receiving exemptions from Obamacare?
    what does that have to do with what i posted? you were wrong in your assertion, and i don't have any problem with limiting deductions for salaries. the gov't did it with tarp, and there's absloutley NO REASON for insurance execs to make millions of dollars for denying coverage to people who need it.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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