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    Re: After some wrangling, U.S. Constitution is read in House

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    The embarassment of the 3/5 clause? Nothing to be embarassed about.

    In Retrospect: The 3/5ths Clause of the Constitution | Redstate
    Not many people who huff and puff and level the accusing finger at the nation's founders about it seem to be aware that the Slave States' representatives at the Constitutional Convention were the ones demanding that slaves be counted as full persons, while the Free states' spokesmen were the ones demanding that they not be counted at all.
    In other words, it was the Free States that forced the 3/5ths Clause unto the Constitution of the United States - which may lead us to ask, just who were the good guys here? The guys who wanted to count slaves as full people or those who didn't want to count them at all?
    Well, the latter.
    Slavery in America may well have lasted well into the 20th Century if the Slave States have had their way in Philadelphia, and it probably would have ended well before the 1860s if the Free States had won entirely and a slave had counted for 0% of a human being.
    Exactly. It wasn't the slave owners that wanted them counted as 3/5ths. It was the free states.

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    Re: After some wrangling, U.S. Constitution is read in House

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Exactly. It wasn't the slave owners that wanted them counted as 3/5ths. It was the free states.
    Um...There weren't free states when it was written.

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    Re: After some wrangling, U.S. Constitution is read in House

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Um...There weren't free states when it was written.
    Vermont (1777), Pennsylvania (1780), Massachuesets (1783), New Hampshire (1783), Rhode Island (1784), Connecticut (1784), had all banned slavery by the time the 3/5 Comprimise was written.
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    Re: After some wrangling, U.S. Constitution is read in House

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Vermont (1777), Pennsylvania (1780), Massachuesets (1783), New Hampshire (1783), Rhode Island (1784), Connecticut (1784), had all banned slavery by the time the 3/5 Comprimise was written.
    Careful...dont threaten the mythology...their heads will explode.

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    Re: After some wrangling, U.S. Constitution is read in House

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Careful...dont threaten the mythology...their heads will explode.
    I live to slap Libbos in the face with historical facts. It makes my day, man, it really does...

    It never ceases to amaze how people that claim to be so much smarter and more knowledgable than the rest of us, don't know jack **** about actual history.

    Think I oughta tell them that the reason slavery was banned in those states, was because of the religious right?
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    Re: After some wrangling, U.S. Constitution is read in House

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I live to slap Libbos in the face with historical facts. It makes my day, man, it really does...

    It never ceases to amaze how people that claim to be so much smarter and more knowledgable than the rest of us, don't know jack **** about actual history.
    Its kinda funny to see how angry folks get when you remind them that the first slave owner in Colonial America was a freed black indentured servant...or that in Louisiana (and especally around New Orleans) there were large numbers of black slave owners, or that the country moved to ban the importation of slavery very early in its history. And for heavens sake...dont point out the fact that Indians in the Americas owned slaves...Its easier just to keep up the evil white European capitalist slave owner mantra...it works so well to make people feel guilty and manipulate them...

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    Re: After some wrangling, U.S. Constitution is read in House

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Its kinda funny to see how angry folks get when you remind them that the first slave owner in Colonial America was a freed black indentured servant...or that in Louisiana (and especally around New Orleans) there were large numbers of black slave owners, or that the country moved to ban the importation of slavery very early in its history. And for heavens sake...dont point out the fact that Indians in the Americas owned slaves...Its easier just to keep up the evil white European capitalist slave owner mantra...it works so well to make people feel guilty and manipulate them...
    Yeah, but they were only half black. Oh, wait...Obama's only half black. Damn!
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    And on the third day, Jesus created the Second Amendment!!

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    Re: After some wrangling, U.S. Constitution is read in House

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Exactly. It wasn't the slave owners that wanted them counted as 3/5ths. It was the free states.
    It was the Northern states who didn't want them counted at all... remember, it was solely for the purposes of representation in Congress. The South had no interest in actually treating them as "people"...

    Actually, many Northern states had officially ended slavery by the time the Constitution was drafted and ratified...
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    Re: After some wrangling, U.S. Constitution is read in House

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Reading it aloud is a good start in that direction.

    I'm having a hard time imagining why anyone wouldn't want the congress critters reminded of their duties to the Constitution
    They should read it every morning or at least once a week. That and the Pledge of Allegiance.

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