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    Excerpted from “State lawmakers taking aim at amendment granting birthright citizenship” By Shankar Vedantam, Washington Post Staff Writer, The Washington Post, Wednesday, January 5, 2011; 2:23 PM
    In a move certain to escalate the legal tug of war over illegal immigration, state lawmakers from across the country announced Wednesday that they were launching a united effort to prevent the U.S. Constitution's 14th Amendment, which grants citizenship to all children born in the United States, from applying to children of undocumented immigrants.

    State lawmakers from Arizona, Pennsylvania, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Georgia and other states said they were taking aim at birthright citizenship and seeking to return the interpretation of the 14th Amendment to what they described as the original intent of its creators. …
    Will the insanity never cease? Are there really this many state lawmakers so ignorant of the essentialness of 14th Amendment to preventing a subclass from forming in this country?
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    Re: State lawmakers taking aim at amendment granting birthright citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Will the insanity never cease? Are there really this many state lawmakers so ignorant of the essentialness of 14th Amendment to preventing a subclass from forming in this country?
    I am by no means a liberal, but this is misguided. People born in the United States are US citizens under the Constitution. End of story. If they want to change this, you need to change the Constitution, which isn't going to happen in this case.
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    But people keep telling me it's only liberals who selectively interpret the constitution. I'm so confused!
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    Re: State lawmakers taking aim at amendment granting birthright citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Excerpted from “State lawmakers taking aim at amendment granting birthright citizenship” By Shankar Vedantam, Washington Post Staff Writer, The Washington Post, Wednesday, January 5, 2011; 2:23 PM
    In a move certain to escalate the legal tug of war over illegal immigration, state lawmakers from across the country announced Wednesday that they were launching a united effort to prevent the U.S. Constitution's 14th Amendment, which grants citizenship to all children born in the United States, from applying to children of undocumented immigrants.

    State lawmakers from Arizona, Pennsylvania, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Georgia and other states said they were taking aim at birthright citizenship and seeking to return the interpretation of the 14th Amendment to what they described as the original intent of its creators. …
    The correct term is "illegal alien", and I agree with this effort compleatly.

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    … I agree with this effort compleatly.
    Are you an American under the terms of this effort that you agree with so ‘compleatly?’ Since you don't know how to spell c-o-m-p-l-e-t-e-l-y you're likely an English as a second language immigrant which means that this will be easy for you to prove that you're a legal citizen — just show us your naturalization papers.

    But, if you have the great blessing of being born in this country, then under the terms of this new effort to repeal the 14th Amendment the only way to prove you are here legally is to prove that your parents were here legally when you were born. Please provide your parents' naturalization papers, please.

    Oh, and if your parents were born in this country, too, then, as you know, without the 14th Amendment, to prove that you actually belong here and not somewhere far, far away from here, we'll be requiring your grandparents papers. All four, please. No worries, we'll wait here while you track them down. Thanks in advance.

    And, if any of them were blessed and born in this country, then, you know the drill at this point, without the 14th Amendment, we'll be requiring both your great-grandparents naturalization papers. This could be a set of eight naturalization papers; I guess you could have a nice book to keep them all together.

    God bless you for complying with the law. Of course, if you don't fulfill the legal requirements the alternative is to let us know what country you'll be traveling to. It might be one that none of your ancestors have known for generations, but, it's where you'll be going for the rest of your life. Please go without burdening real American taxpayers you God damn illegal immigrant!

    Thank you for your cooperation.
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    Re: State lawmakers taking aim at amendment granting birthright citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Will the insanity never cease? Are there really this many state lawmakers so ignorant of the essentialness of 14th Amendment to preventing a subclass from forming in this country?
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    Re: State lawmakers taking aim at amendment granting birthright citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Will the insanity never cease? Are there really this many state lawmakers so ignorant of the essentialness of 14th Amendment to preventing a subclass from forming in this country?
    The founding fathers didnt see that we would be invaded by illegals. And those illegals were going to purposely push out kids called anchor babies so they could slowly rape this country of its resources. I am a BILLION percent for congress to dissallow these babies from becoming US citizens. Kick the illegal parents out and kick their babies out with them. If the parents are here illegally their babies should also be considered illegal.
    Makes sense on MANY levels.
    The city I live in is overrun with these illegal Mexicans. Hell, you go to Walmart youre LUCKY to hear English being spoken.
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    Re: State lawmakers taking aim at amendment granting birthright citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    The founding fathers didnt see that we would be invaded by illegals. And those illegals were going to purposely push out kids called anchor babies so they could slowly rape this country of its resources. I am a BILLION percent for congress to dissallow these babies from becoming US citizens. Kick the illegal parents out and kick their babies out with them. If the parents are here illegally their babies should also be considered illegal.
    Makes sense on MANY levels.
    The city I live in is overrun with these illegal Mexicans. Hell, you go to Walmart youre LUCKY to hear English being spoken.
    The Founding Fathers did NOT draft the 14th amendment... it is one of the Civil War amendments passed in the aftermath of the Civil War, decades after all of the Founding Fathers passed away...

    nice try at an appeal to emotional rhetoric, however...
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    Re: State lawmakers taking aim at amendment granting birthright citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Are you an American under the terms of this effort that you agree with so ‘compleatly?’ Since you don't know how to spell c-o-m-p-l-e-t-e-l-y you're likely an English as a second language immigrant which means that this will be easy for you to prove that you're a legal citizen — just show us your naturalization papers.

    But, if you have the great blessing of being born in this country, then under the terms of this new effort to repeal the 14th Amendment the only way to prove you are here legally is to prove that your parents were here legally when you were born. Please provide your parents' naturalization papers, please.

    Oh, and if your parents were born in this country, too, then, as you know, without the 14th Amendment, to prove that you actually belong here and not somewhere far, far away from here, we'll be requiring your grandparents papers. All four, please. No worries, we'll wait here while you track them down. Thanks in advance.

    And, if any of them were blessed and born in this country, then, you know the drill at this point, without the 14th Amendment, we'll be requiring both your great-grandparents naturalization papers. This could be a set of eight naturalization papers; I guess you could have a nice book to keep them all together.

    God bless you for complying with the law. Of course, if you don't fulfill the legal requirements the alternative is to let us know what country you'll be traveling to. It might be one that none of your ancestors have known for generations, but, it's where you'll be going for the rest of your life. Please go without burdening real American taxpayers you God damn illegal immigrant!

    Thank you for your cooperation.
    Lots of strawmans here. You do know that when the 14th amendment was made and before SCOTUS decided that it included those born here when it originally didn't that people got along just fine as regards to weather they were citizens or not? No one went around asking for peoples parents birth certificates or any crap like that.

    But hey, look what we have today....Social Security Cards AND our own personal birth certificates if worse comes to worse. No need for parents BC.

    And yes, I support bringing the 14th back to its original meaning as written and argued for by its original author. Who specifically told members of congress, while they were debating on adding it, that it was never meant to include those that came here illegally.
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    Re: State lawmakers taking aim at amendment granting birthright citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    The founding fathers didnt see that we would be invaded by illegals. And those illegals were going to purposely push out kids called anchor babies so they could slowly rape this country of its resources. I am a BILLION percent for congress to dissallow these babies from becoming US citizens. Kick the illegal parents out and kick their babies out with them. If the parents are here illegally their babies should also be considered illegal.
    Makes sense on MANY levels.
    The city I live in is overrun with these illegal Mexicans. Hell, you go to Walmart youre LUCKY to hear English being spoken.
    Do you have any other reasons or do you just not like "Mexicans"? Btw, not everybody who speaks Spanish is from Mexico.
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