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    Re: State lawmakers taking aim at amendment granting birthright citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    Oh, and by the way, scream racism all you want. That doesn't change the FACT that Mexico is WAY more violent than the United States, and by extension, Mexicans. The murder rate in Mexico in 2004 was 13.4 per 100,000. In the USA in the same year it was 5.62. That means the murder rate in Mexico was over DOUBLE our rate. Of course, that varies by city and place, but overall...
    Then by that argument can I say the U.S. is violent as the U.S. murder rate is far higher than Taiwan and many other East Asian countries?
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    Re: State lawmakers taking aim at amendment granting birthright citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Times have changed. Change with them, or cease to exist.
    Really? I say the same to people who bitch about lightbulbs.

    Moving on...

    It's fun to see conservatives doing this. It is more proof of what I have been saying all along. The Republican party is now officially catering to the former Democratic base. If you know anything about the Democrats from 50 years ago, you know exactly who Republicans are catering to now.
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    Re: State lawmakers taking aim at amendment granting birthright citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    I love mexicans! I have mexican friends. Why would you think otherwise? And regarding the Spanish language....... no **** Sherlock! Thanks for pointing that out Capt. Obvious.

    This is a matter of law. Dont be a low-minded person and make this a race issue because that would be the DUMBEST most ignorant thing to do.
    I'm simply looking at what you wrote
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    Re: State lawmakers taking aim at amendment granting birthright citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    I'm simply looking at what you wrote
    OK. I just dont want this topic made into something that its not. I cant speak for anyone else... but I will and say no one here is looking at this as a race based topic. And again I like mexican families. They are very similar to Italian ones. Plus we both like tomatoes
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    Re: State lawmakers taking aim at amendment granting birthright citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Without the protections accorded you under the 14th Amendment, or, in your case, the Dream Act should it pass (and it should), when you get back here your citizenship status may depend on the immigration status of your parents. Were they legal? Can you prove it?

    I know, I know you think it's obvious that you're an American citizen but under the rules you would impose, an American birth certificate ain't enough anymore; you must demonstrate that your parents were here legally, too, and, their parents, etc.

    You might ‘look’ American, ‘sound’ American, and, ‘act’ American but that's simply because you were ‘raised’ American; to be ‘American,’ your parents had better of been here legally and can prove it.
    I'd be Grandfathered in, no problem. There were "American Citizens" before the 14th, there will be after this slight alteration to the 14th.

    You do realize that no one is talking about getting rid of the 14th, right?

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    Re: State lawmakers taking aim at amendment granting birthright citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'd be Grandfathered in, no problem. There were "American Citizens" before the 14th, there will be after this slight alteration to the 14th.

    You do realize that no one is talking about getting rid of the 14th, right?
    but you can't even alter the amendment without the passage of a new amendment, you DO know that, right???
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    Re: State lawmakers taking aim at amendment granting birthright citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I agree completely that allowing people to break the laws, come here, pop out a kid, and then use that kids citizenship as an emotional club to beat the American people into granting them absolution from their crime was not what people invisioned as the purpose of the 14th amendment.

    Then again, I'm sure the founders didn't invision the 2nd amendment allowing someone to fire off two or three clips of ammo in the time it took them to shoot, reload, and shoot again. Or that the 1st amendment would allow someone to be heard by over a million people at the same time if not more.

    But those unforseen things aren't reason enough for us as conservatives to go along with laws like assult weapons bans or the fairness doctrine.

    I have sympathy for these states and agree with their desire for this, and think its the correct desire to have. But there's a method to do what they want to do and the end around they're doing isn't right. Its something conservatives have rallied against when liberals have done it time and time again, and it is an afront to our principles if we do similar. The constitution is important...ALL of it...and that includes the proper means of bypassing constitutional requirements.
    Russel Pierce, the autheur of the AZ bill, said in an interview the other day that he is fully aware that this won't be enacted the way it is written. His aim was to get the Supreme Court to hear it and thus rule on the 14th.

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    Re: State lawmakers taking aim at amendment granting birthright citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Will the insanity never cease? Are there really this many state lawmakers so ignorant of the essentialness of 14th Amendment to preventing a subclass from forming in this country?
    IN case no one else brought this is up there is the "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,". If the 14 amendment meant any and everybody born in the USA is a citizen then why not have "All persons born or naturalized in the United States are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." instead of "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." Obviously the bold part is just as important as the part of being born here. Why else have the Indian citizenship act of 1924 and the nationality act of 1940 if any and everybody born in the USA is a citizen? The 14th amendment was created to make the freed from slavery and their children citizens of the US.
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    Re: State lawmakers taking aim at amendment granting birthright citizenship

    So children born on American soil to parents who are here illegally aren't subject to the jurisdiction of the United States?

    Everybody standing on American soil is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: State lawmakers taking aim at amendment granting birthright citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yup.



    Oh, you want to play silly games. Very good, let's play silly games.



    The OP'sarticle ain't jivin' about repeal'n da 14th. No one iz jivin' about repealing da 14th. otay buh-weet



    TEH OPS ARTICLE ISNT TALKIN BOUT REPEALIN TEH 14TH. NO WAN IZ TALKIN BOUT REPEALIN TEH 14TH.



    Y, si cualquiera de ellos fue bendito y nacido en este país, entonces, usted sabe la taladradora en este punto, sin la 14a Enmienda, requeriremos ambos sus papeles de naturalización de bisabuelos. Este podría ser un juego de ocho papeles de naturalización; adivino que usted podría tener un libro agradable para guardar a todos ellos juntos.



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