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    Re: State lawmakers taking aim at amendment granting birthright citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The Founding Fathers did NOT draft the 14th amendment... it is one of the Civil War amendments passed in the aftermath of the Civil War, decades after all of the Founding Fathers passed away...

    nice try at an appeal to emotional rhetoric, however...
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    Re: State lawmakers taking aim at amendment granting birthright citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Do you have any other reasons or do you just not like "Mexicans"? Btw, not everybody who speaks Spanish is from Mexico.
    I love mexicans! I have mexican friends. Why would you think otherwise? And regarding the Spanish language....... no **** Sherlock! Thanks for pointing that out Capt. Obvious.

    This is a matter of law. Dont be a low-minded person and make this a race issue because that would be the DUMBEST most ignorant thing to do.
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    Re: State lawmakers taking aim at amendment granting birthright citizenship

    The original intention is that people born in American territory are American citizens. The only way the children of illegal immigrants aren't citizens is if the offspring of illegal immigrants aren't people.

    I wouldn't feel so annoyed with this departure from principle (not the first) if the instigators stopped insisting they are principled.
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    Re: State lawmakers taking aim at amendment granting birthright citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Do you have any other reasons or do you just not like "Mexicans"? Btw, not everybody who speaks Spanish is from Mexico.
    Why is it that whenever illegal aliens are being talked about that everyone just assumes that it is a race thing?

    You do realize that not all illegal aliens are from south of the border right? That there are white illegals? That there are Asian illegals? Arab illegals? And everything in between illegals?

    A bit of advice...lose the race card. You'll sound far more intelligent if you do.
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    Re: State lawmakers taking aim at amendment granting birthright citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Why is it that whenever illegal aliens are being talked about that everyone just assumes that it is a race thing?

    You do realize that not all illegal aliens are from south of the border right? That there are white illegals? That there are Asian illegals? Arab illegals? And everything in between illegals?

    A bit of advice...lose the race card. You'll sound far more intelligent if you do.
    Its a strategy of the people that are FOR illegal mexicans. They want to turn this whole thing into something OTHER than what it REALLY is. Its smoke and mirrors bull****. But there ARE weak-minded people that believe the BS propaganda that is spead by terrorist organizations like La Raza.
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    Re: State lawmakers taking aim at amendment granting birthright citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Its a strategy of the people that are FOR illegal mexicans. They want to turn this whole thing into something OTHER than what it REALLY is. Its smoke and mirrors bull****. But there ARE weak-minded people that believe the BS propaganda that is spead by terrorist organizations like La Raza.
    No need for BS propaganda. The lawmakers want something. They way to get it is by amending the U.S. Constitution. That requires far more compromise than they are willing to give. So they want to short cut it by subverting the U.S. Constitution.

    It's easy to take a negative view of that.

    Let's glance at wikipedia:

    The text of the Citizenship Clause was first offered in the Senate as an amendment to Section 1 of the joint resolution as passed by the House.
    There are varying interpretations of the original intent of Congress, based on statements made during the congressional debate over the amendment.[2] During the original debate over the amendment Senator Jacob M. Howard of Michigan—the author of the Citizenship Clause—described the clause as excluding Indians, who maintain their tribal ties, and “persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers.” He was supported by other senators, including Edgar Cowan, Reverdy Johnson, and Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lyman Trumbull.[3]
    Howard additionally stated the word jurisdiction meant "the same jurisdiction in extent and quality as applies to every citizen of the United States now"[3] and that the United States possessed a “full and complete jurisdiction” over the person described in the amendment.[4][5][3] Other senators, including Senator John Conness,[6] supported the amendment, believing citizenship ought to be extended to all children of foreigners born in the United States.
    So, some lawmakers decided the amendment had limitations and others did not.

    How did that become incorporated into the "unshakable" pillar of "author's intent?" It should be mandatory that conservatives preface their every insistence of Founder's intent with, "selected from among several."
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    Re: State lawmakers taking aim at amendment granting birthright citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    No need for BS propaganda. The lawmakers want something. They way to get it is by amending the U.S. Constitution. That requires far more compromise than they are willing to give. So they want to short cut it by subverting the U.S. Constitution.

    It's easy to take a negative view of that.
    There is PLENTY of reasons for propaganda! READ: La Raza, Mexican Terrorist Organization

    I say do whatever is neccessary to keep out invaders! I dont want my taxes to rise because we need more money to pay for people that shouldnt even BE here!
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    Re: State lawmakers taking aim at amendment granting birthright citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    There is PLENTY of reasons for propaganda! READ: La Raza, Mexican Terrorist Organization

    I say do whatever is neccessary to keep out invaders! I dont want my taxes to rise because we need more money to pay for people that shouldnt even BE here!
    They're lying and manipulating federalism because they don't want to actually sacrifice toward their goals.
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    Re: State lawmakers taking aim at amendment granting birthright citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    So, some lawmakers decided the amendment had limitations and others did not.

    How did that become incorporated into the "unshakable" pillar of "author's intent?" It should be mandatory that conservatives preface their every insistence of Founder's intent with, "selected from among several."
    It has always been my view that the original author should be the one to decide what something they wrote means. Not those that can see a way of twisting it to their own advantage.
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    Re: State lawmakers taking aim at amendment granting birthright citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Are you an American under the terms of this effort that you agree with so ‘compleatly?’
    Yup.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Since you don't know how to spell c-o-m-p-l-e-t-e-l-y you're likely an English as a second language immigrant which means that this will be easy for you to prove that you're a legal citizen — just show us your naturalization papers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    But, if you have the great blessing of being born in this country, then under the terms of this new effort to repeal the 14th Amendment the only way to prove you are here legally is to prove that your parents were here legally when you were born. Please provide your parents' naturalization papers, please.
    The OP'sarticle ain't jivin' about repeal'n da 14th. No one iz jivin' about repealing da 14th. otay buh-weet

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Oh, and if your parents were born in this country, too, then, as you know, without the 14th Amendment, to prove that you actually belong here and not somewhere far, far away from here, we'll be requiring your grandparents papers. All four, please. No worries, we'll wait here while you track them down. Thanks in advance.
    TEH OPS ARTICLE ISNT TALKIN BOUT REPEALIN TEH 14TH. NO WAN IZ TALKIN BOUT REPEALIN TEH 14TH.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    And, if any of them were blessed and born in this country, then, you know the drill at this point, without the 14th Amendment, we'll be requiring both your great-grandparents naturalization papers. This could be a set of eight naturalization papers; I guess you could have a nice book to keep them all together.
    Y, si cualquiera de ellos fue bendito y nacido en este país, entonces, usted sabe la taladradora en este punto, sin la 14a Enmienda, requeriremos ambos sus papeles de naturalización de bisabuelos. Este podría ser un juego de ocho papeles de naturalización; adivino que usted podría tener un libro agradable para guardar a todos ellos juntos.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    God bless you for complying with the law. Of course, if you don't fulfill the legal requirements the alternative is to let us know what country you'll be traveling to. It might be one that none of your ancestors have known for generations, but, it's where you'll be going for the rest of your life. Please go without burdening real American taxpayers you God damn illegal immigrant!

    Thank you for your cooperation.
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