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Sixth-Grade Girl Has Date in Court After Writing in Wet Cement

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One of the officers said, "'let’s put these kids in the back of the car; we’re bringing them to headquarters,'" according to Zierdt. "And then me and my friends started crying our eyes out,” My9News reports.
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This is where I have an issue - they practically arrested the children and detained them. Did they read their rights in the process?

If they hadn't done this - but pursued reprisal of $250 - that would be reasonable.

However - if the Dad was so concerned - then why doesn't he just pay the $250 and get it over with? They committed a wrong by arresting the girls - but he's just continuing it. The girls would NOT be going to court if he'd pay the fine and get that part over with.

I blame the father directly for the court-proceeding. This would not be happening if he didn't suddenly become a stubborn ass. . . Shame on him for putting these children through this. Haven't they been through ti enough, already?

The very fact that he refuses to cooperate further actually jeopardizes the case against the police - they DO have a legitimate case concerning their arrest and those initial actions against them . . . the father's actions serve to complicate it further.
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
This is where I have an issue - they practically arrested the children and detained them. Did they read their rights in the process?

If they hadn't done this - but pursued reprisal of $250 - that would be reasonable.

However - if the Dad was so concerned - then why doesn't he just pay the $250 and get it over with? They committed a wrong by arresting the girls - but he's just continuing it. The girls would NOT be going to court if he'd pay the fine and get that part over with.

I blame the father directly for the court-proceeding. This would not be happening if he didn't suddenly become a stubborn ass. . . Shame on him for putting these children through this. Haven't they been through ti enough, already?

The very fact that he refuses to cooperate further actually jeopardizes the case against the police - they DO have a legitimate case concerning their arrest and those initial actions against them . . . the father's actions serve to complicate it further.
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I see nothing wrong with taking the kids to the police station. The kids committed a crime and teaching them what happens when crimes are committed is useful.
 
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Well... should people be able to run around writing their name in cement? No. Should it be a legal issue? If it has to be. This is an issue, like graffiti, that I think should be dealt with a delicate combination of legal and familial reprocussions.

ie: the object of charging the girl shouldn't be to punish her, but for HER wellbeing.
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
This is where I have an issue - they practically arrested the children and detained them. Did they read their rights in the process?

If they hadn't done this - but pursued reprisal of $250 - that would be reasonable.

However - if the Dad was so concerned - then why doesn't he just pay the $250 and get it over with? They committed a wrong by arresting the girls - but he's just continuing it. The girls would NOT be going to court if he'd pay the fine and get that part over with.

I blame the father directly for the court-proceeding. This would not be happening if he didn't suddenly become a stubborn ass. . . Shame on him for putting these children through this. Haven't they been through ti enough, already?

The very fact that he refuses to cooperate further actually jeopardizes the case against the police - they DO have a legitimate case concerning their arrest and those initial actions against them . . . the father's actions serve to complicate it further.
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my speculation is that the father is trying to make a (valid) point
notice the substantial policing and judicial resources which the government is willing to expend to prosecute this very minor matter
it would be surprising if his intent - and his reason to refuse to resolve this informally - is to put on public display the government's willingness to disproportionately waste its policing and judicial resources on such a trivial issue while real crime is allowed to thrive

i do look forward to watching the police haul off the little girl to a prison, in handcuffs, because she was unable to personally pay her $250 fine
or is anyone actually expecting the father to be willing to come up with it

does the government have the authority to do what it has done? certainly
is proceeding in this manner an acceptable use of limited taxpayer resources? my inclination is to side with the father. from reading other posts, it would seem many find it acceptable to waste taxpayer dollars in this manner
 
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reefedjib said:
I like graffiti, as long as it is done to commercial or municipal property. That would include wet cement in the sidewalk of a middle school. Yes, it is illegal and if you get caught you must pay. The trick is to not get caught. Graffiti is modern urban art.

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You like higher taxes and cost of buying things??? /boggle.
 
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Tucker Case said:
It's not a matter of thinking like a kid. Parents and adults aern't supposed to think like kids in order to excuse their kids bad behavior. That kind of mentality teaches kids that doing certain things is OK, when they aren't. Instead, parents and adults need to teach kids the right way to go about things.

The fact that this father is trying to prevent his daughter from having consequences is proof positive that some parents today are clueless about teaching their kids personal responsibility.

Are kids going to damage cement? Sure. Even if you teach them it's wrong, they'll do it. They're kids. But when they know it's wrong, they'll deal with the consequences of their bad behavior.

When I was that age, and I ****ed someone's **** up, I was put to work for the person who owned the property I damaged.

If this was my kid, I'd go and tear up the portion of concrete that my kid screwed up and have him/her haul away all of the debris and help me pour and finish the new slab. THEN the kid would have some idea of what they ****ed up exactly and they might have a little more respect for things.

But when you teach them it's OK by preventing them from dealing with the consequences of their criminal behavior, they'll not only continue to commit these types of crimes, but they'll also act like little spoiled brats for the rest of their lives. They'll be under the impression that they are special, when they aren't.
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Is this the way you handle your own children?
 
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justabubba said:
my speculation is that the father is trying to make a (valid) point
notice the substantial policing and judicial resources which the government is willing to expend to prosecute this very minor matter
it would be surprising if his intent - and his reason to refuse to resolve this informally - is to put on public display the government's willingness to disproportionately waste its policing and judicial resources on such a trivial issue while real crime is allowed to thrive

i do look forward to watching the police haul off the little girl to a prison, in handcuffs, because she was unable to personally pay her $250 fine
or is anyone actually expecting the father to be willing to come up with it

does the government have the authority to do what it has done? certainly
is proceeding in this manner an acceptable use of limited taxpayer resources? my inclination is to side with the father. from reading other posts, it would seem many find it acceptable to waste taxpayer dollars in this manner
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It seems to me that this is one of the few instances where our society has decided it takes a village to raise a child. Would it have been easier for the cop to run the kids off? Sure, considering only one of them is paying a fine, it's already cost way more than they'll make back by hauling all those kids in. Will every single one of those kids think twice before doing something illegal? You bet.
 
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Tucker Case said:
I see nothing wrong with taking the kids to the police station. The kids committed a crime and teaching them what happens when crimes are committed is useful.
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And that's where you and I differ.

If these were OLDER kids, like 15 and up... I'd agree. These were 6th graders, fascinated with wet cement. It wasn't criminal mischief, it was judgment lacking kids having fun.

There was NO NEED to haul them to the station, no need for any of this BS.

Proper solution, talk to the kids, explain what they did was wrong, call the folks that laid the cement to smooth out the names and end of story. Maybe even find out who the parents are and call them to pick their kids up at the scene to teach a lesson.


My problem here is over reaction by the police. Period.
 
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MrVicchio said:
And that's where you and I differ.

If these were OLDER kids, like 15 and up... I'd agree. These were 6th graders, fascinated with wet cement. It wasn't criminal mischief, it was judgment lacking kids having fun.

There was NO NEED to haul them to the station, no need for any of this BS.

Proper solution, talk to the kids, explain what they did was wrong, call the folks that laid the cement to smooth out the names and end of story. Maybe even find out who the parents are and call them to pick their kids up at the scene to teach a lesson.


My problem here is over reaction by the police. Period.
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They were taught a lesson. That sometimes their lack of judgement is actually an illegal action.
 
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MrVicchio said:
You like higher taxes and cost of buying things??? /boggle.
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How so?


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Kelzie said:
They were taught a lesson. That sometimes their lack of judgement is actually an illegal action.
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Maybe they could have just made them fix it.
 
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Kelzie said:
They were taught a lesson. That sometimes their lack of judgement is actually an illegal action.
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Hell yeah..... throw em in the slammer for a couple of years. That'll really teach em to respect property and not to do any more childish pranks, right ??
 
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American said:
Maybe they could have just made them fix it.
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I wouldn't be opposed to them doing that also. Considering that's not the punishment in our society for vandalizing property, I'd say it's more pratical to teach them what the actual consequences of their actions are.
 
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Gill said:
Hell yeah..... throw em in the slammer for a couple of years. That'll really teach em to respect property and not to do any more childish pranks, right ??
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Yes. Cause that's exactly what I'm saying. :roll:

Their punishment was completely appropriate to a minor crime. They were scared and those with intelligent parents have to write an essay.
 
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reefedjib said:
How so?


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Who do you think removes that filth from municipal property? The Graffiti fairy?

And businesses. My Uncles business got tagged about three years ago, the entire back of the place sprayed. Cost him 20k to have it removed and painted over. He had to raise prices in the store to cover the loss.
 
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MrVicchio said:
Who do you think removes that filth from municipal property? The Graffiti fairy?

And businesses. My Uncles business got tagged about three years ago, the entire back of the place sprayed. Cost him 20k to have it removed and painted over. He had to raise prices in the store to cover the loss.
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But it's just kids being kids!!
 
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Gill said:
Hell yeah..... throw em in the slammer for a couple of years. That'll really teach em to respect property and not to do any more childish pranks, right ??
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If they were children of liberals, they should get the slammer since they won't be disciplined at home.
 
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Kelzie said:
But it's just kids being kids!!
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No, it's not. I all ready covered that. It helps to read and not lie about where someone stands. Your dishonesty does us all a disservice. Now go back and read what I wrote on the matter and apologize to the forum for your behavior.
 
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American said:
If they were children of liberals, they should get the slammer since they won't be disciplined at home.
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but what if they are children of those who make simple mided sweeping generalizations?
 
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American said:
If they were children of liberals, they should get the slammer since they won't be disciplined at home.
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Of course the biggest irony is that I, a liberal, am arguing that the police didn't over react in their method of discipline while the conservatives on this thread are crying about how they're just kids being kids.
 
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Gardener said:
but what if they are children of those who make simple mided sweeping generalizations?
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American all ready covered that...
 
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MrVicchio said:
No, it's not. I all ready covered that. It helps to read and not lie about where someone stands. Your dishonesty does us all a disservice. Now go back and read what I wrote on the matter and apologize to the forum for your behavior.
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You think 6th graders don't spray paint? You are sadly mistaken.
 
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Kelzie said:
Of course the biggest irony is that I, a liberal, am arguing that the police didn't over react in their method of discipline while the conservatives on this thread are crying about how they're just kids being kids.
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It is actually perfectly understandable.

You're a liberal. You believe Gov't should control as much of our lives as possible. Up to and including the proper punishment for children's petty misbehavior.

I'm a conservative, I believe Gov't is out of control and this is an example of that.
 
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Kelzie said:
You think 6th graders don't spray paint? You are sadly mistaken.
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Wherein did I say that?

There is a difference, between wet cement, a fascination to children the world over, and getting your hands on a can of spray paint and vandalizing property.

You're now trying to alter the subject with further distortions of what I said and why. Are you that incapable of being honest?
 
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MrVicchio said:
It is actually perfectly understandable.

You're a liberal. You believe Gov't should control as much of our lives as possible. Up to and including the proper punishment for children's petty misbehavior.

I'm a conservative, I believe Gov't is out of control and this is an example of that.
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I would hope that the children's punishment doesn't stop with an essay. But of course, the likely conservative in this situation probably ranted and raved at the police and told his daughter on the way home she didn't do anything wrong. I'm sure she'll grow up with a healthy respect for the law.
 
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