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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, I said doctors disagree with you that they can't get into a doctor's office. They favor this plan by a wide margin, and I linked that for you. People are getting service. You simply have it wrong. That's why the Commonwealth link you have show they are happy with the service, but concerned about the cost. Paying more, but getting more.
    Great, then since doctors like the program, the people in MA don't have a problem paying higher prices, and MA has implemented and controls the program, why does the Federal Govt. have to create Obamacare. If it is so good in MA, why aren't you working with Iowa to implement it there? You don't need the Federal Govt. to do it for you

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

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    Ricksfolly: Reagan and his fellow Republicans famously made a deal with the Democratic Congress over that issue; Reagan agreed to raise taxes if Congress agreed to cut spending $3 for every $1 of increased taxes that Reagan agreed to. Reagan got played for a sucker, and agreed to raise taxes before Congress cut the spending, so the spending cuts just never came.
    GHW Bush did the same thing, agreed to the tax increases but didn't get the promised spending cuts.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

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    GHW Bush did the same thing, agreed to the tax increases but didn't get the promised spending cuts.

    Great, so we have established that liberals lie when it comes to promises surrounding cuts.


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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Great, then since doctors like the program, the people in MA don't have a problem paying higher prices, and MA has implemented and controls the program, why does the Federal Govt. have to create Obamacare. If it is so good in MA, why aren't you working with Iowa to implement it there? You don't need the Federal Govt. to do it for you
    Let's stay on topic. You made calims about the MA system which are not quite true. That's the issue.

    Now, as the entire nation is struggleing with health care, and that is what you want to cahnge the subject to, I argue it is a national problem. And it likely can't be fixed until tackled nationally, most likley with a single payer system. this would help remove business from providing health insurance, and make them more competative, and allow a great pool of premium payers who are well to help cover those who are not.

    We've been through this you know. . . .

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    As stated, I don't believe that the military should be removed from making cuts to reduce the size of govt. but the number one responsibility assigned to the govt. is defense. Right now defense constitutes 1/6 of the budget and that is where the real crime lies. Does that mean that defense should be increased, no, that means that the budget needs to be cut starting with entitlement programs and get the total size down.
    sorry to inform you but defense is actually much closer to 1/3 of the budget. it's pretty clear that DoD is 1/6 of it, but once you add all the other stuff that's directly related to defense, such as homeland security, state department payoffs, energy department's nuclear weapons development and others it gets to at least 1/3 of the budget. when you add the interest payments on the debt this causes it goes even higher. DoD spending is about the same as the rest of the world's defense spending combined. 50% of global defense spending for 5% of the population. you two sit here and squabble about how much more we pay for health care. how about how much more we pay to protect us? for the rest of the world to match us percapita they'd have to increase their spending ten fold.
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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Great, so we have established that liberals lie when it comes to promises surrounding cuts.


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    Says who? You seem to make a leap to me.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyroh View Post
    sorry to inform you but defense is actually much closer to 1/3 of the budget. it's pretty clear that DoD is 1/6 of it, but once you add all the other stuff that's directly related to defense, such as homeland security, state department payoffs, energy department's nuclear weapons development and others it gets to at least 1/3 of the budget. when you add the interest payments on the debt this causes it goes even higher. DoD spending is about the same as the rest of the world's defense spending combined. 50% of global defense spending for 5% of the population. you two sit here and squabble about how much more we pay for health care. how about how much more we pay to protect us? for the rest of the world to match us percapita they'd have to increase their spending ten fold.
    I have to admit you ahve a point.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Let's stay on topic. You made calims about the MA system which are not quite true. That's the issue.

    Now, as the entire nation is struggleing with health care, and that is what you want to cahnge the subject to, I argue it is a national problem. And it likely can't be fixed until tackled nationally, most likley with a single payer system. this would help remove business from providing health insurance, and make them more competative, and allow a great pool of premium payers who are well to help cover those who are not.

    We've been through this you know. . . .
    That is a lie, I did not make claims that have not been proven by the state, higher costs and higher ER usage because people cannot get into see a doctor.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

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    GHW Bush did the same thing, agreed to the tax increases but didn't get the promised spending cuts.
    yup. which is why as we now face a much much much bigger deficit problem, we need to make sure we see deep, significant, and lasting spending cuts long before we ever agree to tax increases.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That is a lie, I did not make claims that have not been proven by the state, higher costs and higher ER usage because people cannot get into see a doctor.
    Read it carefully. INpatient and out patient areas have been established at hospitals. People are nto going there for a lack of doctors, but because they have changed the nature of hospitals. Some see it as faster. We have done the same thing here in Iowa without the MA reform. You have not proven anything yet.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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