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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, we have debt because we've always borrowed instead of finding ways to pay for it. And we've done that from the beginning as well.
    Exactly, on this we agree, that is why we are sitting on 2. 5trillion in SS IOU's that have to be paid for and added to the debt. Now you want to expand that with National Healthcare. let the states handle it.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

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    Exactly, on this we agree, that is why we are sitting on 2. 5trillion in SS IOU's that have to be paid for and added to the debt. Now you want to expand that with National Healthcare. let the states handle it.
    It doesn't have to add to the debt. That's why I prefer a single payer. While I doubt either party will actually address the debt, it is not true that we can't tackle problems and still not add to the debt. Doing things half assed won't likely do the job, but being chicken **** to even tackle a problem won't either.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It doesn't have to add to the debt. That's why I prefer a single payer. While I doubt either party will actually address the debt, it is not true that we can't tackle problems and still not add to the debt. Doing things half assed won't likely do the job, but being chicken **** to even tackle a problem won't either.
    Single payer sounds great, but the results are hardly great. Waste, fraud, and abuse exist in the current single payer system. If they exist in the private sector the taxpayer doesn't pay it. The American people don't support a single payer system and the majority don't support Obamacare

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

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    Single payer sounds great, but the results are hardly great. Waste, fraud, and abuse exist in the current single payer system. If they exist in the private sector the taxpayer doesn't pay it. The American people don't support a single payer system and the majority don't support Obamacare
    Who says they haven't been great? In most countries with them, the people are not asking for them to be done away with. Put the propaganda down and look at it with unbiased eyes.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Who says they haven't been great? In most countries with them, the people are not asking for them to be done away with. Put the propaganda down and look at it with unbiased eyes.
    Please cite your experience in what other countries are doing and whether or not they are successful? You seem to like other countries so much better than what you have here so tell us what makes you an expert on foreign operations?

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

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    How are healthcare costs affecting you, your family, or the economy? I keep hearing about the drain on the economy, what drain? Where are healthcare costs measured in GDP calculations? Right now healthcare costs are where they belong, with the individual. My entire point is that healthcare is personal and is best handled by the individual with the help of the state, local communities, and charities if necessary. The Federal Govt. does nothing well and all this focus on expansion of that govt. is a huge mistake and ignores history. there is nothing in Obamacare that reduces public sector costs therefore why do it?
    Health care costs are not with the individual. Most of us either are working for an employer who provides coverage, are old enough to qualify for Medicare, are young enough to still be on our parents' policies, or don't have health care coverage at all.

    It shouldn't be difficult to see how having to shell out an extra grand a month per employee is a drag on employers, or how having to lose coverage, or else shell out that same grand a month for partial coverage should one opt to start a small business, is a drag on the economy. It's not hard to see how medical bankruptcies are a drag on the economy. Paying for the uninsured at the emergency room is a drag on the economy. How could paying 30 or 40% more than anybody else for health care not be a drag on the economy? It is an extremely inefficient system.

    The employment rate in Canada has recovered much more quickly than it has in the US. One big reason has to be that employers in Canada don't have to pay for employee health coverage. Can you come up with another explanation for the difference?

    Unemployment in Canada

    Employment edged up for the second consecutive month in December, with an increase of 22,000. The unemployment rate held steady at 7.6%. Compared with December 2009, employment increased by 2.2% (+369,000), following a decline of 1.1% the previous year.
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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Health care costs are not with the individual. Most of us either are working for an employer who provides coverage, are old enough to qualify for Medicare, are young enough to still be on our parents' policies, or don't have health care coverage at all.

    It shouldn't be difficult to see how having to shell out an extra grand a month per employee is a drag on employers, or how having to lose coverage, or else shell out that same grand a month for partial coverage should one opt to start a small business, is a drag on the economy. It's not hard to see how medical bankruptcies are a drag on the economy. Paying for the uninsured at the emergency room is a drag on the economy. How could paying 30 or 40% more than anybody else for health care not be a drag on the economy? It is an extremely inefficient system.

    The employment rate in Canada has recovered much more quickly than it has in the US. One big reason has to be that employers in Canada don't have to pay for employee health coverage. Can you come up with another explanation for the difference?

    Unemployment in Canada
    Yet all is not rosy in Canada nor anywhere else with Universal Healthcare. seems that proponents here cannot seem to acknowledge what would happen if they are wrong or the added bureacracy involved in implementing and maintaining a universal healthcare program. Here are some articles and some concerns. IMO the answer is identifying what is driving up the costs then addressing those costs first. To my knowledge that has never really been done.

    I wonder why it is that liberals believe that the answer to everything is massive growth in the size and scope of the Federal govt. That utopia that they are looking for really never exists.

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    Canada problems
    CBC News - Edmonton - Hundreds protest health cuts at premier's office

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

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    Yet all is not rosy in Canada nor anywhere else with Universal Healthcare. seems that proponents here cannot seem to acknowledge what would happen if they are wrong or the added bureacracy involved in implementing and maintaining a universal healthcare program. Here are some articles and some concerns. IMO the answer is identifying what is driving up the costs then addressing those costs first. To my knowledge that has never really been done.

    I wonder why it is that liberals believe that the answer to everything is massive growth in the size and scope of the Federal govt. That utopia that they are looking for really never exists.

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    Sweden's Single-Payer Health System Provides a Warning to Other Nations

    Vermont Study
    Single payer would create multiple problems | Vermont Business Magazine

    Canada problems
    CBC News - Edmonton - Hundreds protest health cuts at premier's office
    It's not all that rosy here, either. Sure, by all means, let's try to identify why costs are so much higher here than they are in the rest of the world, then try to bring them down. If our patchwork system of private insurers and government programs is not a factor, then I'd be surprised, but, by all means, if it isn't, let's keep it.

    What explanation do you have for unemployment having recovered so much more quickly in Canada than in the USA? Is it their lower taxes and more conservative government?
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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It's not all that rosy here, either. Sure, by all means, let's try to identify why costs are so much higher here than they are in the rest of the world, then try to bring them down. If our patchwork system of private insurers and government programs is not a factor, then I'd be surprised, but, by all means, if it isn't, let's keep it.

    What explanation do you have for unemployment having recovered so much more quickly in Canada than in the USA? Is it their lower taxes and more conservative government?
    Here is a pretty good analysis of Canada vs. the U.S. I believe economic policies in Canada far exceeded U.S. economic policy and in particular the stimulus plans passed in both countries. Note the amount in Canada vs. the U.S. Obama's focus was on Democrat constituent groups i.e. unions with our stimulus plan and Canada focused on actually stimulating the economy. We have a private sector economy that didn't respond well to Obama's stimulus whereas Canada did a better job.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Who says they haven't been great? In most countries with them, the people are not asking for them to be done away with. Put the propaganda down and look at it with unbiased eyes.
    Examples of it not being so great

    Sweden
    Sweden's Single-Payer Health System Provides a Warning to Other Nations

    Vermont Study
    Single payer would create multiple problems | Vermont Business Magazine

    Canada problems
    CBC News - Edmonton - Hundreds protest health cuts at premier's office

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