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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    BTW, just checking: You do realize your response has nothing to do with the question you asked or my answer?
    Comprehension seems to not be your strong suit. Access does not mean lower costs as MA is showing.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Comprehension seems to not be your strong suit. Access does not mean lower costs as MA is showing.
    Never claimed it did. Who has comprehension problems?

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Never claimed it did. Who has comprehension problems?
    So your entire argument is access and not costs? Why then are you quoting WHO and making an issue out off what Americans pay in healthcare and it being higher than any country in the world? If access is the issue then do we really need Obamacare?

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

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    So your entire argument is access and not costs? Why then are you quoting WHO and making an issue out off what Americans pay in healthcare and it being higher than any country in the world? If access is the issue then do we really need Obamacare?
    No. Two part. I keep telling you that. The best thing about the current reform is that it helps with access (not cure or completely fix the probklem). Later, as we refine and keep working on it, we have a chance to get to costs. But if cost was really our focus, we'd seek a universal payer. That would effect cost much better than the current reform.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Boo Radley;1059216549]No. Two part. I keep telling you that. The best thing about the current reform is that it helps with access (not cure or completely fix the probklem).
    Everyone in this country has access now, and as it appears MA with complete access is using the same facilities as the rest of the nation without national healthcare, the ER's. Why would you overburden the current system and in the process create an bigger govt. bureaucracy to manage it?

    Later, as we refine and keep working on it, we have a chance to get to costs. But if cost was really our focus, we'd seek a universal payer. That would effect cost much better than the current reform.

    There you go again ignoring the failures of a single payer system now. Waste, fraud, and abuse cost billions and I am still waiting for you to explain why Europe is getting away from their healthcare system and trying to privatize it.

    I think you are very naive when it comes to addressing problems. The first step should be to identify costs and work to reduce them. Only then do you truly understand the scope of the problem. Throughout this and other threads you have focused on costs and ignored the MA performance or even what is going on in Europe. You really must be tied to the govt. and thus looking for personal gain

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Everyone in this country has access now, and as it appears MA with complete access is using the same facilities as the rest of the nation without national healthcare, the ER's. Why would you overburden the current system and in the process create an bigger govt. bureaucracy to manage it?
    No, factually, everyone does not have complete access, not even in MA. And if the system can't bear complete access, than as the nation Bill encourages, the system needs more doctors. Remember, the current level of doctors is held down by the AMA and not the market. The current national reform helps to encourage more doctors. So, not only do you over state the problem, but seek the wrong solutions, suggesting less access would make the country better. That doesn't make sense to me at all.



    There you go again ignoring the failures of a single payer system now. Waste, fraud, and abuse cost billions and I am still waiting for you to explain why Europe is getting away from their healthcare system and trying to privatize it.

    I think you are very naive when it comes to addressing problems. The first step should be to identify costs and work to reduce them. Only then do you truly understand the scope of the problem. Throughout this and other threads you have focused on costs and ignored the MA performance or even what is going on in Europe. You really must be tied to the govt. and thus looking for personal gain
    We have those same problems here, in both the public and private sector. So, exactly what is your point? Do you know a system that doesn't have those problems? I don't. And we have them while paying more than the single payer system does.

    So, no one has ignored anything, aand no one is nieve, . . . .unless it is you?

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Most of the healthcare expenses in this country are paid for by private citizens as 85% of the people are covered. FICA taxes fund Medicaid, Medicare, and SS so comparing what other countries pay is comparing what the private sector pays to what the public sector pays and that isnt a valid comparison. Who are rising costs bankrupting?
    The employers, the private citizens who purchase individual policies, the people who have substandard insurance then have a catastrophic illness or accident, the government, anyone who pays for medical bills. What I'm talking about is not the private sector's cost, not the public sector's cost, but the entire cost. It is a drag on the economy is many different ways.
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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    It really doesn't matter who you blame for it, the debt ceiling will be increased by the 112th Congress because failure to do so would be a failure to govern this nation responsibly.

    “We are required to do this now in order to avoid a national fiscal calamity.” — Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey
    It appears that you and I fundamentallydisagree on the definition of "responsibly". Dick Armey was wrong then and anyone who supports raising the debt ceiling now is wrong!
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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, factually, everyone does not have complete access, not even in MA. And if the system can't bear complete access, than as the nation Bill encourages, the system needs more doctors. Remember, the current level of doctors is held down by the AMA and not the market. The current national reform helps to encourage more doctors. So, not only do you over state the problem, but seek the wrong solutions, suggesting less access would make the country better. That doesn't make sense to me at all.





    We have those same problems here, in both the public and private sector. So, exactly what is your point? Do you know a system that doesn't have those problems? I don't. And we have them while paying more than the single payer system does.

    So, no one has ignored anything, aand no one is nieve, . . . .unless it is you?
    Yet your solution is a single payer and a national program? it is a local problem and thus local solutions are required. There is no reason for the Federal Govt. to get involved and that is the point. Anyone that believes a single payer system is the way to go with Medicare and SS being examples shouldn't be calling anyone else naive.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yet your solution is a single payer and a national program? it is a local problem and thus local solutions are required. There is no reason for the Federal Govt. to get involved and that is the point. Anyone that believes a single payer system is the way to go with Medicare and SS being examples shouldn't be calling anyone else naive.
    It's a national problem. You do realize that national problems are felt locally as well. They are not two different places?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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