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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

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    Most of the healthcare expenses in this country are paid for by private citizens as 85% of the people are covered. FICA taxes fund Medicaid, Medicare, and SS so comparing what other countries pay is comparing what the private sector pays to what the public sector pays and that isnt a valid comparison. Who are rising costs bankrupting?
    How you pay for it means very little. You either pay more, or you pay less. And they are valid comparisons. The issue is which costs more. The only factor is the cost.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

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    The topic of this thread is debt limit fight could be catastrophic and has emerged into a healthcare debate and I agree that Obamacare affects the debt and thus the limit.
    You brough the discussion from the other thread to this one, not me.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    How you pay for it means very little. You either pay more, or you pay less. And they are valid comparisons. The issue is which costs more. The only factor is the cost.
    You have yet to prove that Obamacare will lower costs nor have you addressed the actual number that cannot afford healthcare and really need taxpayer help.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You have yet to prove that Obamacare will lower costs nor have you addressed the actual number that cannot afford healthcare and really need taxpayer help.
    I haven't claimed present health care will control costs. Nor do I need to prove the number who can't afford health care. As those who can afford health care, will not meet the standard we set, whatever that is, and thus will have to pay for their own, this is not really a bone of contention. only those who can prove need, based on the standard CONGRESS establishes, will recieve government aid. All others have to pay their own premiums.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I haven't claimed present health care will control costs. Nor do I need to prove the number who can't afford health care. As those who can afford health care, will not meet the standard we set, whatever that is, and thus will have to pay for their own, this is not really a bone of contention. only those who can prove need, based on the standard CONGRESS establishes, will recieve government aid. All others have to pay their own premiums.
    If the healtcare bill will not control costs why implement it? MA has proven that access alone doesn't control costs.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    If the healtcare bill will not control costs why implement it? MA has proven that access alone doesn't control costs.
    For me, two reasons:

    1) It improves access. Later it may effect costs postitively.

    2) It's a start. You can't take step two if you don't take step one. I have never considered this a finished proposition.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    For me, two reasons:

    1) It improves access. Later it may effect costs postitively.

    2) It's a start. You can't take step two if you don't take step one. I have never considered this a finished proposition.
    Costs are up because ER usage is up, case closed! People having access cannot get into a doctor's office thus go to the ER's. That of course wouldn't happen under Obamacare, right?

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Costs are up because ER usage is up, case closed! People having access cannot get into a doctor's office thus go to the ER's. That of course wouldn't happen under Obamacare, right?
    Up from when? Support your claim. Nation wide.

    And no, the national situation isn't equal to MA if that is what you're trying to say. Remember, national reform encourages more doctors.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Costs are up because ER usage is up, case closed! People having access cannot get into a doctor's office thus go to the ER's. That of course wouldn't happen under Obamacare, right?
    BTW, just checking: You do realize your response has nothing to do with the question you asked or my answer?

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Up from when? Support your claim. Nation wide.

    And no, the national situation isn't equal to MA if that is what you're trying to say. Remember, national reform encourages more doctors.
    MA, try to keep up, that is the only state that has anything close to Obamacare. Access doesn't lower costs as MA is showing.

    Where are the benefits to becoming a doctor under Obamacare? Incentive is what makes people want to be doctors not Obamacare.

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