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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

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    Interesting that you claim that I know yet haven't offered specifics, what is it specifically about the MA program that I have distorted? What is it about the CBO assumptions that are accurate? What is it about historical data on Medicare and SS that is wrong and distorted? What is it about the comparison between the U.S. with 309 million people and other foreign countries with much less freedom and much less population that makes for a valid comparison in costs? What is it about the Constitution and our Founders vision for a small Central Govt. that is distorted?

    I anxiously await what it is that you have provided that refutes any of that information?
    We've gone over that as well. No one claims that what the CBO reports is the gospel or infaliable. Nor does anyone argue that the CBO answers any more than what was put before them. And remember, I offered you more than the CBO. Numbers don't speak for themselves, they ahve to be explained. Again, we've been through this.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We've gone over that as well. No one claims that what the CBO reports is the gospel or infaliable. Nor does anyone argue that the CBO answers any more than what was put before them. And remember, I offered you more than the CBO. Numbers don't speak for themselves, they ahve to be explained. Again, we've been through this.
    Thanks for the non answer and failure to support your position. All you have ever posted is healthcare costs by nation vs. the U.S. and some individual state numbers and ranking, none mean a thing and as has been proven the govt. history of solving social problems is terrible and extremely costly.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

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    Thanks for the non answer and failure to support your position. All you have ever posted is healthcare costs by nation vs. the U.S. and some individual state numbers and ranking, none mean a thing and as has been proven the govt. history of solving social problems is terrible and extremely costly.
    Don't be silly. You have always gotten a complete answer. You got one above as well. And what numbers mean has to be explained, and I have offered explinations. To which, you switched the subject.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

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    Don't be silly. You have always gotten a complete answer. You got one above as well. And what numbers mean has to be explained, and I have offered explinations. To which, you switched the subject.
    you are delusional and seem to be the only one that thinks they gave specifics and defended them properly.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

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    you are delusional and seem to be the only one that thinks they gave specifics and defended them properly.
    No, others do a fine a job. Many others.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

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    No, others do a fine a job. Many others.
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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

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    Read those. Not all that convincing to tell you the truth. More like excusing making. And doesn't in anyway answer anything we're discussing in this trhead.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Read those. Not all that convincing to tell you the truth. More like excusing making. And doesn't in anyway answer anything we're discussing in this trhead.
    Nor does anything you post, when you post information from the WHO you have no credibility. When you ignore the costs of R&D, malpractice suits, govt. regulations, and illegal immigration you also destroy your own statements. I am still waiting for an explanation as to what it is in it for you as you have way too much passion for national healthcare and a single payer system.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

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    Nor does anything you post, when you post information from the WHO you have no credibility. When you ignore the costs of R&D, malpractice suits, govt. regulations, and illegal immigration you also destroy your own statements. I am still waiting for an explanation as to what it is in it for you as you have way too much passion for national healthcare and a single payer system.
    WHO has credibility. They clearly state their standard and medthodolgy, whihc is why you can argue with them. You may not agree with their standard, and some legitimately don't. But that doesn't make them not credible.

    In it for me? I personally wouldn't benefit more than anyone else, but the nation, particularly as a public health issue, would benefit greatly.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    WHO has credibility. They clearly state their standard and medthodolgy, whihc is why you can argue with them. You may not agree with their standard, and some legitimately don't. But that doesn't make them not credible.

    In it for me? I personally wouldn't benefit more than anyone else, but the nation, particularly as a public health issue, would benefit greatly.
    The nation would? Who are you to determine what is the best for the nation? If you truly cared about the nation you would question why Medicare and SS cost more and generate such a poor return for those that are forced to contribute yet for some reason believe national healthcare would be different? Still waiting for your explanation as to where healthcare costs show up in GDP calculations? Also waiting for a comparision between regulations, malpractice suits, R&D costs, and illegal alien costs in those countries with lower costs than the U.S.

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