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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

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    Right, in your world actual results don't matter because opinion trumps data and history.
    Never said such. But you don't use your data correctly.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Never said such. But you don't use your data correctly.

    What is he not using correctly, and please be specific on the how's, and why's....


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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Never said such. But you don't use your data correctly.
    LOL, you mean I don't distort data with my personal opinions? Talk about distortion, when you post data comparing the U.S. healthcare costs vs. the world you ignore how that data is collected and what goes into that data. You further ignore the economies that generated that data and the massive govt. involvement in the world healthcare numbers thus taxpayer expense in those countries vs. here. Further you ignore that we have 50 sovereign states that our Founders believed were responsible to the people more than the Federal Govt. Keep denying history and actual data and call that distortion.
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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What is he not using correctly, and please be specific on the how's, and why's....


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    Good luck getting an answer to that one!

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

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    Good luck getting an answer to that one!
    half an hour and no reply, although I'll give the benefit of the doubt and say that Joe could be comprising a salient, cogent, and well thought out dissertation on how conservatives "distort", and "misuse" data supplied by governmental agencies..... what was I thinking......


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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    half an hour and no reply, although I'll give the benefit of the doubt and say that Joe could be comprising a salient, cogent, and well thought out dissertation on how conservatives "distort", and "misuse" data supplied by governmental agencies..... what was I thinking......


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    Right and I cannot wait for the latest Krugman and Dion quotes passed off as factual and supportive of the massive govt. expansion. I am sure that Boo means well but like most liberals he confuses opinions with facts and ignores history, logic, and common sense. I wouldn't give two cents for Krugman and Dions Opinions as they relate to the economy of this country and especially on healthcare. Liberals always have opinions but never are held accountable when proven wrong. By the time they are proven wrong they are on some other issue and ignores what they predicted prior.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What is he not using correctly, and please be specific on the how's, and why's....


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    It means, as I have pointed out to him constantly, that the information doesn't say what he says it says, and it doesn't anser the question he thinks it answers. Often I have pointed out the limitations of his data, with no response in return. And pointed to other data that show more clearly that historically no coallation was able to be shown.

    And do remember, someone may not be sitting around waitng for your question. Someonetimes a time passes before somoene sees your question. So, be patient.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It means, as I have pointed out to him constantly, that the information doesn't say what he says it says, and it doesn't anser the question he thinks it answers.
    You are not answering the question Joe. I asked for specifics and get back generalities from you. Can you answer the question specifically? Or, are you willing to admit that you just threw that out there in desperation?

    Often I have pointed out the limitations of his data, with no response in return.
    Another claim with nothing to back up what you say. Point to it.

    And pointed to other data that show more clearly that historically no coallation was able to be shown.
    So you have better data than governmental non partisan entities, is that right? How's that?

    And do remember, someone may not be sitting around waitng for your question. Someonetimes a time passes before somoene sees your question. So, be patient.
    Never said you were, or that you should...But, when you throw out accusations, and generalized statements like you did there, you surely checked the responses. And here I was giving you the benefit of the doubt on writing something that would take some time to answer.....


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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You are not answering the question Joe. I asked for specifics and get back generalities from you. Can you answer the question specifically? Or, are you willing to admit that you just threw that out there in desperation?
    J, Conservative knows the specifics. We've been discussing them for sometime now. I know you've seen him post his stats, and seen others answer him. I don't intend to redo all of that now. As he never once answered them then, there's no reason to suspect he'll answer them now. I'm just reminding him that a rebuttal was given him, to whihc he never ever responded.


    Another claim with nothing to back up what you say. Point to it.
    Again, he knows. And this is between us.

    So you have better data than governmental non partisan entities, is that right? How's that?
    As I told him, it was never the data. No one disputed the data. Only his interpretation of the data. In his case, as he didn't use something silly like the American Non-Thinker, it was not a source issue. It is important to know what you're jumping into before you jump in.


    Never said you were, or that you should...But, when you throw out accusations, and generalized statements like you did there, you surely checked the responses. And here I was giving you the benefit of the doubt on writing something that would take some time to answer.....
    You might first, learn what the accusation is, review the histroy, and you know, look before you leap.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    J, Conservative knows the specifics. We've been discussing them for sometime now. I know you've seen him post his stats, and seen others answer him. I don't intend to redo all of that now. As he never once answered them then, there's no reason to suspect he'll answer them now. I'm just reminding him that a rebuttal was given him, to whihc he never ever responded.

    Again, he knows. And this is between us.

    As I told him, it was never the data. No one disputed the data. Only his interpretation of the data. In his case, as he didn't use something silly like the American Non-Thinker, it was not a source issue. It is important to know what you're jumping into before you jump in.


    You might first, learn what the accusation is, review the histroy, and you know, look before you leap.
    Interesting that you claim that I know yet haven't offered specifics, what is it specifically about the MA program that I have distorted? What is it about the CBO assumptions that are accurate? What is it about historical data on Medicare and SS that is wrong and distorted? What is it about the comparison between the U.S. with 309 million people and other foreign countries with much less freedom and much less population that makes for a valid comparison in costs? What is it about the Constitution and our Founders vision for a small Central Govt. that is distorted?

    I anxiously await what it is that you have provided that refutes any of that information?

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