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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

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    Bet you they do get health care. And largely because this refomr helps encourage more doctors, not less.
    Yet ER costs are up, why?

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

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    Yet ER costs are up, why?
    Paid for, aren't they?

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Paid for, aren't they?
    That doesn't answer the question, why are ER costs up in MA since it was your original argument that ER costs would go down with better access to healthcare? ER costs are always paid for by the taxpayers of the state? Are you paying for the ER costs in MA?

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

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    That doesn't answer the question, why are ER costs up in MA since it was your original argument that ER costs would go down with better access to healthcare? ER costs are always paid for by the taxpayers of the state? Are you paying for the ER costs in MA?
    You're missing the point. Care given that is not paid for raises costs more than cost that are paid for. So, while it may be temporarely up in MA, and I don't see anything on a search since April, the services being paid for are better for everyone than them not being paid for.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You're missing the point. Care given that is not paid for raises costs more than cost that are paid for. So, while it may be temporarely up in MA, and I don't see anything on a search since April, the services being paid for are better for everyone than them not being paid for.
    Who pays for the care received in the ER in MA? Who pays for the care received in your state for the uninsured in the ER? Amazing how you equate taxpayers funding ER expenses in MA as access improvement and ignore that state taxpayers pay for the ER services in your state but that isn't access or payment? Keep digging that hole deeper.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

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    Who pays for the care received in the ER in MA? Who pays for the care received in your state for the uninsured in the ER? Amazing how you equate taxpayers funding ER expenses in MA as access improvement and ignore that state taxpayers pay for the ER services in your state but that isn't access or payment? Keep digging that hole deeper.
    Taxpayers paying? That's not entirely true. The state is not a universal payer in MA. Check the system again.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Taxpayers paying? That's not entirely true. The state is not a universal payer in MA. Check the system again.
    Then who pays for the ER services in MA if not the taxpayers?

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

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    Then who pays for the ER services in MA if not the taxpayers?
    People paying premium on thier insurance. Just like it would have been with a public option. Those who can pay, pay.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    People paying premium on thier insurance. Just like it would have been with a public option. Those who can pay, pay.
    Those who can pay always pay, those who can't are funded by the taxpayers of the state. My insurance does not go up because of uninsured getting service at the ER. You really are naive.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

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    Those who can pay always pay, those who can't are funded by the taxpayers of the state. My insurance does not go up because of uninsured getting service at the ER. You really are naive.
    They are funded in all states, one way or another. Keep that in mind. Those who pay always pay for those who don't. One way or another. But, if you mandate that those who can affrd insurance have insurance, those people pay and not the tax payer. And if you monitor, by paying for those who can't pay, the costs of those who can't pay, you are likley to pay less than just letting the hospital run up the price unmonitored, never knowing if you're paying what it cost them, or more.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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