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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    IS MA the only conmparison possible? How about Hawaii. Seems access is better there, and you side calls them scoalisitc.

    But, this reform is neither comparable to Hawaii or MA. It's different. And I say we need more, and not less.




    I have not ignored that at all. I'm the one that keeps telling you nothing is free. Tax payers pay for it one way or another, and through taxes might actually cost less than what we're doing now, which is uncontrolled and unmonitored.





    I think you said your state, but I gave you a link to the actual numbers, and showed it was a smaller portion.

    And there are huge administrative costs to state governments and to insurance companies. presently, we're paying all those costs. No streamlining.
    You don't seem to get your own argument, state taxpayers are paying for the healthcare expenses not covered by insurance in the individual private insurance and that is where it should be. People paying higher state costs have incentive to solve the problem locally. Where is the incentive other than gaining power at the national level? Social engineering is what liberals do thus they spend money in the name of compassion but higher costs never yield compassionate results.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

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    You don't seem to get your own argument, state taxpayers are paying for the healthcare expenses not covered by insurance in the individual private insurance and that is where it should be. People paying higher state costs have incentive to solve the problem locally. Where is the incentive other than gaining power at the national level? Social engineering is what liberals do thus they spend money in the name of compassion but higher costs never yield compassionate results.
    People have incentive to solve a problem that is a problem, regardless of whether the state government or the federal government is involved. Like I said, everyone across the country is dealing with this, so there is plenty of incentive.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    People have incentive to solve a problem that is a problem, regardless of whether the state government or the federal government is involved. Like I said, everyone across the country is dealing with this, so there is plenty of incentive.
    Then we don't need Obamacare

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

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    Then we don't need Obamacare
    Yes, that is your opinion. You're free to hold it. Of course, I do believe we need health care reform.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, that is your opinion. You're free to hold it. Of course, I do believe we need health care reform.
    You are entitled to your opinion but it is your opinion and everyone has one. You have offered zero evidence that Obamacare will improve quality, quantity and access. Seems that the majority in this country have a different opinion as well.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

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    You are entitled to your opinion but it is your opinion and everyone has one. You have offered zero evidence that Obamacare will improve quality, quantity and access. Seems that the majority in this country have a different opinion as well.
    Haven't I? More people insured doesn't improve access?

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Haven't I? More people insured doesn't improve access?
    Nope, and MA is a perfect example. Not enough doctors and hospitals to handle the demand now.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

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    Nope, and MA is a perfect example. Not enough doctors and hospitals to handle the demand now.
    No, MA is not a perfect example. Too limited, and if anything, shows the limits of a state. The federal government can do more to encourage doctors and influence the AMA to allow more doctors into medical school. Sorry, but more insured creates more access, and more access improves quality for those who had not had access before.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, MA is not a perfect example. Too limited, and if anything, shows the limits of a state. The federal government can do more to encourage doctors and influence the AMA to allow more doctors into medical school. Sorry, but more insured creates more access, and more access improves quality for those who had not had access before.
    So MA isn't a perfect example? Where are the people of MA going for their healthcare? Where do you propose the 40 million added to the roles go for their healthcare. You really are very naive when it comes to real world issues. I don't understand people like you who live in Iowa but somehow are an expert on everyone else. You buy what this Administration or other intellectuals tell you while ignoring history, logic, and common sense. Nothing in this program reduces ER waiting time and in fact MA is a perfect example of the opposite happening. You simply refuse to accept that because it goes agains what you think. In your world there are no consequences for being wrong, in the real world however that isn't the case.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So MA isn't a perfect example? Where are the people of MA going for their healthcare? Where do you propose the 40 million added to the roles go for their healthcare. You really are very naive when it comes to real world issues. I don't understand people like you who live in Iowa but somehow are an expert on everyone else. You buy what this Administration or other intellectuals tell you while ignoring history, logic, and common sense. Nothing in this program reduces ER waiting time and in fact MA is a perfect example of the opposite happening. You simply refuse to accept that because it goes agains what you think. In your world there are no consequences for being wrong, in the real world however that isn't the case.
    Bet you they do get health care. And largely because this refomr helps encourage more doctors, not less.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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