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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Let me help.

    According to this source:

    U.S. State Health Systems Compared - BusinessWeek

    Hawaii is ranked number one in health care among US states. Indy is rank 32nd. You can exmine the site and look at how rthey measure it. You may disagree, but a rebuttal might include how you measure it.
    Good article from the Wall Street Journal, suggest you take notes

    Mitch Daniels: Hoosiers and Health Savings Accounts - WSJ.com

    So how did Hawaii become so good at healthcare without Obamacare?

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

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    Good article from the Wall Street Journal, suggest you take notes

    Mitch Daniels: Hoosiers and Health Savings Accounts - WSJ.com

    So how did Hawaii become so good at healthcare without Obamacare?
    Thanks. Notes:

    In Indiana's HSA, the state deposits $2,750 per year into an account controlled by the employee, out of which he pays all his health bills. Indiana covers the premium for the plan. The intent is that participants will become more cost-conscious and careful about overpayment or overutilization.

    (sounds like a univerisal insurer.)

    However, these are limited. They don't address amny of the serious health care problems with the unisured, hospitals, or an aging population. These types of programs have been discussed before and only have a limited potential to help, which is why the state only ranks thrity second despite this program.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Boo Radley;1059207152]Thanks. Notes:

    In Indiana's HSA, the state deposits $2,750 per year into an account controlled by the employee, out of which he pays all his health bills. Indiana covers the premium for the plan. The intent is that participants will become more cost-conscious and careful about overpayment or overutilization.

    (sounds like a univerisal insurer.)
    Nope sounds like putting incentive into the system to save costs.

    However, these are limited. They don't address amny of the serious health care problems with the unisured, hospitals, or an aging population. These types of programs have been discussed before and only have a limited potential to help, which is why the state only ranks thrity second despite this program.

    I love it how you pick and choose the information and polls you want to post. Hawaii has a state run program and it is number one, which of course you stated but refused to focus on. HSA's in Indiana are one program to handle healthcare costs and it seems that the people of Indiana like the total program there. I don't know what went into the ranking of states nor do you but that doesn't stop you from posting the information while ignoring that these are two states that took on the healthcare issue and put a state solution in place. They didn't need Obamacare.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Nope sounds like putting incentive into the system to save costs.




    I love it how you pick and choose the information and polls you want to post. Hawaii has a state run program and it is number one, which of course you stated but refused to focus on. HSA's in Indiana are one program to handle healthcare costs and it seems that the people of Indiana like the total program there. I don't know what went into the ranking of states nor do you but that doesn't stop you from posting the information while ignoring that these are two states that took on the healthcare issue and put a state solution in place. They didn't need Obamacare.
    Indiana, not the individual, according to your article, covers the premium for the plan. State provided. Not indiviually provided. Remember, you argued that a public option, where individals pay the premiums was socialism. Don't see a problem here in your position.

    Yes, Hawaii has a state plan, but you have criticised it in the past. Are you now willing to promote it as the one all states should follow because it is effective?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Indiana, not the individual, according to your article, covers the premium for the plan. State provided. Not indiviually provided. Remember, you argued that a public option, where individals pay the premiums was socialism. Don't see a problem here in your position.

    Yes, Hawaii has a state plan, but you have criticised it in the past. Are you now willing to promote it as the one all states should follow because it is effective?
    Indiana is a state and that is what they decided to do. Hawaii is a state and that is what they decided to do. It should be up to the states. most here know what happens when you implement a one size fits all Federal program. Healthcare is a state issue, not the Federal issue you want it to be.
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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    sounds like a univerisal insurer
    a private insurance account sounds like a universal system?

    LOL!

    gee, i wonder where the money comes from that the state puts in those accounts...

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Indiana is a state and that is what they decided to do. Hawaii is a state and that is what they decided to do. It should be up to the states. most here know what happens when you implement a one size fits all Federal program. Healthcare is a state issue, not the Federal issue you wan it to be.
    Yes, that is a legitmate area of disagreement. But it is a switch from what we were discussing. You said Indy had the issue fixed. Then we got side tracked. I don't see indy as having it fixed.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    a private insurance account sounds like a universal system?

    LOL!

    gee, i wonder where the money comes from that the state puts in those accounts...
    Is something paid for by the state private?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, that is a legitmate area of disagreement. But it is a switch from what we were discussing. You said Indy had the issue fixed. Then we got side tracked. I don't see indy as having it fixed.
    Whether it is fixed or not in Indiana isn't for you to decide, it is up to the people of Indiana which went back to a red state in November. Mitch Daniels the Governor of Indiana implemented a market based healthcare solution and it is working as evidenced by the support in the state for the program and the Governor. I know how hard this is for your ego to hear that people disagree with you with regards to Obamacare but again it is a state and local issue, not a Federal issue no matter how many charts and graphs you post. The majority in this country are opposed to Obamacare and in particular the individual mandate. That is something you just have to learn to accept.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Is something paid for by the state private?
    The HSA's are for State Employees and have cut costs in the state budget. Guess you didn't read the article. Other insurance companies have implemented a similiar program for their paid programs and that is working as well. In addition the state has implemented an uninsured program that seems to be working as well showing again states can solve the problem and don't need Obamacare.

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