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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Cost ceilings are the solution?
    ask ms sebelius

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Goldenboy219;1059206931]I have no idea. The new legislation will force people on programs available to them!
    Which I believe is unconstitutional in this country. The govt. doesn't have the right to force anyone to purchase health insurance and those that don't should face the consequences of their poor choice.


    These 800k force health care costs to rise. Reason be, if they declare bankruptcy, they no longer have to pay the hospitals and doctors who have performed the services. To mitigate this shortfall, hospitals and doctors raise prices on those who can afford to pay.

    800000 spread over the nation is a drop in the bucket and ignores the total picture which you refuse to address. To insure those who cannot afford insurance doesn't require Obamacare and when the SC rules that the Govt. doesn't have the authority to force anyone to purchase healthcare insurance, the legislation will fail completely? MA is a perfect example of what is going to happen with Obamacare, suggest you research the results there.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Amen brother.

    How some people can condemn Keynesianism in one hand, and then turn a blind eye to it when it is implemented by their ideology, is totally beyond me.
    Tell that to the bureau of economic analysis that shows the GDP growing from 9.9 trillion to 14.5 trillion during the Bush years. Guess that didn't make the MSM headlines.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

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    Which I believe is unconstitutional in this country. The govt. doesn't have the right to force anyone to purchase health insurance and those that don't should face the consequences of their poor choice.
    If individuals who get sick or injured and who don't have health insurance faced the consequences alone, then you would have a point. The fact is that the uninsured drive up costs of insurance and government backed programs for all of us. If not having insurance costs us all, then we have a right to insist that they have insurance. If we're willing to turn them away from the emergency room and refuse treatment, then we don't have a right to insist on insurance.






    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    800000 spread over the nation is a drop in the bucket and ignores the total picture which you refuse to address. To insure those who cannot afford insurance doesn't require Obamacare and when the SC rules that the Govt. doesn't have the authority to force anyone to purchase healthcare insurance, the legislation will fail completely? MA is a perfect example of what is going to happen with Obamacare, suggest you research the results there.
    The other big elephant in the room is this:

    A lot of those bankruptcies were suffered by people who did have insurance. Insurance (prior to the reform, at least) have a way of excluding "pre existing conditions", of dropping clients who become too costly, and of finding ways of delaying payments until it is too late.
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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    A lot of those bankruptcies were suffered by people who did have insurance. Insurance (prior to the reform, at least) have a way of excluding "pre existing conditions", of dropping clients who become too costly, and of finding ways of delaying payments until it is too late.
    then why the 200+ exemptions?

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    then why the 200+ exemptions?
    Sorry, but your question has unsufficient data. Exemptions of whom from what?
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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Dittohead not!;1059206990]If individuals who get sick or injured and who don't have health insurance faced the consequences alone, then you would have a point. The fact is that the uninsured drive up costs of insurance and government backed programs for all of us. If not having insurance costs us all, then we have a right to insist that they have insurance. If we're willing to turn them away from the emergency room and refuse treatment, then we don't have a right to insist on insurance.
    I will ask you the same question as I asked Boo, how does someone failing to make payments to doctors and hospitals in California affect someone in another state? The answer, it doesn't thus it is a state problem, not a Federal Problem like Obama wants to make it. If the states want to set up a healthcare program then so be it, but that isn't the role of the Federal Govt. other than to increase their size and power. Indiana seems to be working quite well without Obamacare.


    The other big elephant in the room is this:

    A lot of those bankruptcies were suffered by people who did have insurance. Insurance (prior to the reform, at least) have a way of excluding "pre existing conditions", of dropping clients who become too costly, and of finding ways of delaying payments until it is too late.

    In order to cover pre-existing conditions we don't need massive govt. intervention thus Obamacare. When the SC rules it unconstitutional to require someone to buy healthcare insurance the program will fail under its own weight. It is a fact of life that personal responsibility doesn't exist in the liberal world today and the question is why?

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

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    I will ask you the same question as I asked Boo, how does someone failing to make payments to doctors and hospitals in California affect someone in another state?
    Not sure of your point, but frankly, the same problem exists in all states. It isn't just one state having a problem, but all of them.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure of your point, but frankly, the same problem exists in all states. It isn't just one state having a problem, but all of them.
    Then solve them at the state level, not the national. States have a vested interest in solving the problem and are closer to the issue. Why isn't your state implementing its version of Obamacare. Seems Indiana is doing it right.

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