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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

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    LOL.

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    In the interpretation of many on the left, this means they government has unlimited power to spend on anything, take anything, and get involved in any aspect of the market. Funny how you don't see issue with that.

    I mean, why do you really need any enumerated powers at all, when by a liberal interpretation they have infinite power?
    They have whatever powers are granted to them by the US Constitution and clarified through rulings by the US Supreme Court. The opinion "of many on the left" or their counterparts, is irrelevant.
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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Forcing people to buy a service under penalty of law isn't American.

    What cost containment? These Eurosocialist systems are imploding. From Stockholm to Seville, these programs result in rationed care, long waits, and corruption that increases costs.

    Canadians are regularly sent south of the border for care because they either have to wait for, for months, or services they do not offer in Kanuckistan. Ask Ms. Stronach why, as a member of parliament, why she didn't wait and went south of the border? It is why the Quebec Supreme Court ruled waiting lists do not constitute "care".
    In Canada similar lies were told in order to pass national health care and they mostly surrounded saving a lot of money and how inexpensive it would be. I see something similar happening now in the States,

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    You let Libs loose and they eventually reveal their agenda.

    It is social programs that are drowning us. It is these things that have harmed the country. It is these programs that are corrupt, inefficient and failures. The delusion is thinking we can only look at the fat on the hog and not be able to slash it away.

    Obama was asked during the Hopey/Changey Campaign what he would cut, and he couldn't come up with anything beyond the military. Here we have the chorus continuing the misguided nonsense. We know where the problem is, and it's not our defense spending that is the problem.

    National defense need not be cut, it need be funded to the max. That is spending approved by the Constitutional. We need to secure our borders and ensure our military isn't left underfunded as Clinton left them. Then we get complaints our equipment isn't up-armored, and we cannot fight a 2-front war... somthing The Clintons claimed we could do... which proved to be more BS.


    No. Tax increases will make matters worse. Even JFK understood you have to cut taxes to raise all boats. Cut taxes and slash government intrusion into ares they have no busisness.

    The people didn't vote for playing with the edges. We have 13,000,000,000,000 little problems created by Eurosocialist BS. It's time to eliminate real problems.

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    like i said, both sides will have to have some skin in the game, and that means everything is fair game, INCLUDING DEFENSE SPENDING....and again, if you think the republicans are just going to cut programs that dems favor, YOUR DELUDING YOURSELF.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    OK, so we have some Canadians, who of course know more about the Canadian health care system than I do, posting here. Let me ask this question once again then:

    Would you trade your health care system for ours?

    I've asked that question before, BTW.
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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    OK, so we have some Canadians, who of course know more about the Canadian health care system than I do, posting here. Let me ask this question once again then:

    Would you trade your health care system for ours?

    I've asked that question before, BTW.
    No

    I would prefer moving the Alberta system towards either Australian or French health care styles
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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    No

    I would prefer moving the Alberta system towards either Australian or French health care styles
    I've never yet had a yes.

    Canadians want to change what they have, improve it, tweak it in one way or another, but none of them seems to want to adopt our employer based health care system.

    Yet, there are the stories of clinics south of the border catering to Canadian clientele who can't get what they want in their own country, and the scandal of their premier coming here for medical care. If I were Canadian, I'd be really POed about that one.

    Perhaps the correct conclusion is that Canada needs to reform and improve, while we need a total overhaul.
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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I've never yet had a yes.

    Canadians want to change what they have, improve it, tweak it in one way or another, but none of them seems to want to adopt our employer based health care system.

    Yet, there are the stories of clinics south of the border catering to Canadian clientele who can't get what they want in their own country, and the scandal of their premier coming here for medical care. If I were Canadian, I'd be really POed about that one.

    Perhaps the correct conclusion is that Canada needs to reform and improve, while we need a total overhaul.
    The Alberta government has been very idiotic in the changes they have been trying, tending to throw money at the issue rather then make any meaningfull changes in the way things are done. When they have made good changes (a clinic set up to do primarily hip and knee surgeries , privately owned) they have shut them down after a time. Changes do need to be made in the various health care systems in Canada. But not moving towards the US system. The US system is even more inefficient and costly
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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I've never yet had a yes.

    Canadians want to change what they have, improve it, tweak it in one way or another, but none of them seems to want to adopt our employer based health care system.

    Yet, there are the stories of clinics south of the border catering to Canadian clientele who can't get what they want in their own country, and the scandal of their premier coming here for medical care. If I were Canadian, I'd be really POed about that one.

    Perhaps the correct conclusion is that Canada needs to reform and improve, while we need a total overhaul.
    I'm not opposed to an overhaul. I'm opposed to government controlled overhaul.
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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The Alberta government has been very idiotic in the changes they have been trying, tending to throw money at the issue rather then make any meaningfull changes in the way things are done. When they have made good changes (a clinic set up to do primarily hip and knee surgeries , privately owned) they have shut them down after a time. Changes do need to be made in the various health care systems in Canada. But not moving towards the US system. The US system is even more inefficient and costly
    Exactly what I keep saying. Canada spends less per capita, and so do the nations of Europe. Yet, whenever anyone talks about a US national health care modeled after Canada or Europe, we start getting cries of "socialism", and statements about how much it will cost. So called "obamacare" brought absurd rants about "death panels" and "offing grandma", Hillarycare brought ads showing busloads of Canadians coming south for health care unavalable there. It seems a rational debate on the issue of health care is just not possible.
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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Exactly what I keep saying. Canada spends less per capita, and so do the nations of Europe. Yet, whenever anyone talks about a US national health care modeled after Canada or Europe, we start getting cries of "socialism", and statements about how much it will cost. So called "obamacare" brought absurd rants about "death panels" and "offing grandma", Hillarycare brought ads showing busloads of Canadians coming south for health care unavalable there. It seems a rational debate on the issue of health care is just not possible.
    Because this is America and we place a higher value on our freedom. That mentality is the reason this country even exists. If Americans wanted to keep doing things like other countries, we would have all stayed in those countries and never created the greatest nation on earth.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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