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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And you also DO NOT have a Supreme Court ruling stating that social welfare programs are NOT in the general welfare power of Congress.

    Case stays closed. Thank you too.
    Who said they were, I am saying that they are bankrupting us and many will be repealed. Congress does have that authority, doesn't it?

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Ah, unless your suggesting that simply because Republicans control the house, they'll be able to break Senate Filibuster, and the Presidents Veto, I unno. Maybe by magic, or the grace of god or something... THE CONSTITUTION!
    Incrementalism plus the fact that there are more Senate Democrats up for re-election in 2012. It all starts today, the American people are in the cutting mood.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Incrementalism plus the fact that there are more Senate Democrats up for re-election in 2012. It all starts today, the American people are in the cutting mood.
    That I have no doubt. We can agree on that.

    Of course we can also agree the biggest issue will be what is to be cut...

    Oh I can't wait for all the fun!

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    only need to cut one thing: the Fed... then congress can print away with no debt. but then the world would realize we're monetizing our debt, hmmm lemme think this thing over.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    With Justices on that court that believe that we should be looking to foreign law to determine our course, I think those justices do a disservice to the bench, and this country. There is a lot wrong with the SCOTUS today. But there is much wrong with our government right now as well.


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    You do realize that the Justices on the SC have changed over several times since welfare programs started? But no SC has struck them down as a violation of the Constitution.

    If one want to discuss the merits of welfare programs for the poor, that is a debate we can have. If one keeps insisting that social welfare programs are not authorized by the Constitution they might as well go out and tilt at windmills.
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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh come on....Are you really saying that only explicit statements can be attributed to what politicans intent are? Well, we might as well shut down the boards now, because there is nothing else to talk about. It is the hight of absurdness to suggest that we must only stick to litteral words, if that was indeed the case then about 80% of your previous arguments against Bush would be moot.

    Now can we discuss this like adults, or do you wish to continue in the absurd?


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    sure j, we can discuss it like adults, when do you intend to act like one? you lied, you were caught....obama said nothing of the sort.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    And Republicans misinterpret it to fund farm subsidies in the mostly rural red states.
    Yes, because farms, and affordable food are a bad thing right? Look, I am not saying that repubs are another side of the coin when it comes to remaining true to our founding principles, but we need to get back to those principles, and so far, repubs seem to have gotten that message, where as demo's, seems would rather just trash it all together, and make up the rules as they go.


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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    sure j, we can discuss it like adults, when do you intend to act like one? you lied, you were caught....obama said nothing of the sort.

    BULL SH**!!!!!! I lied nowhere. I believe that Obama's intent, along with the intent of his circle of advisors/Czars is to dry up the care for the elderly, thus resulting in letting them die. Now you can be disingenuous and keep spouting 'show me the exact words in succession where he said that literally,' or you can have the larger argument and make the case of why so many on the liberal side, your side of the debate, would turn their backs on senior citizens in this country. Personally, I think it is a selfish bent.


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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You do realize that the Justices on the SC have changed over several times since welfare programs started? But no SC has struck them down as a violation of the Constitution.

    If one want to discuss the merits of welfare programs for the poor, that is a debate we can have. If one keeps insisting that social welfare programs are not authorized by the Constitution they might as well go out and tilt at windmills.
    What part of the statement that social welfare isn't a violation of the Constitution do you not understand? It is however a violation of the intent of our Founders who believed social problems were personal and better handled at the state and local levels. Article 1 Section 8 gives Congress that ability but having the ability is quite different from having the responsibility to do something about social problems. Our Founders knew that power corrupts thus they put the power at the state level which is closer to the people where it belongs. Congress has increased the power of the Federal Govt. all in the name of compassion but all that really did was increase the debt and expand the social problems we have.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You do realize that the Justices on the SC have changed over several times since welfare programs started? But no SC has struck them down as a violation of the Constitution.

    If one want to discuss the merits of welfare programs for the poor, that is a debate we can have. If one keeps insisting that social welfare programs are not authorized by the Constitution they might as well go out and tilt at windmills.
    Ok, please provide for me, using the parameter that I said earlier about enumerated powers, where in the hell the constitution provides for generational welfare.


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