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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You are about to see the will of the people as Congress starts repealing laws that created the massive social policies that are bankrupting the country. there is no question that Congress can make the laws including the welfare programs but that doesn't mean that was the intent of the Founders. What Congress has found out is that they can fund their own existence forever by keeping people dependent and that sets up what happened on Nov. 2. Going to be fun watching all these bleeding heart libreral leeches squealing as their power is taken away.
    Ah, unless your suggesting that simply because Republicans control the house, they'll be able to break Senate Filibuster, and the Presidents Veto, I unno. Maybe by magic, or the grace of god or something... THE CONSTITUTION!

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    So, you did not show me where I claimed to have one, or that I said what you seem to thnk I did.

    Thank you. Your apology is accepted.
    I never claimed you did. I was merely taking the argument against welfare payments to its logical conclusion. It matters not at all to me what you said or what you did not say. It matters not at all to me what you believe or what you do not believe. It matters not at all to me what you think about the contents of the Constitution or what it may allow or does not allow. And it matters not at all to me what you think of my views of the Constitution and what it allows or does not allow.

    All that is irrelevant.

    Reality is all that counts. And reality is that social welfare programs have been in the general welfare of the people of the USA for a very very long time now and that is simply the way it is.
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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    so here you admit that he didnt say anything about killing seniors....thanks for finally coming clean and admitting your mistake.....you go from 'he said it' to '....no president would be stupid enough...'
    Oh come on....Are you really saying that only explicit statements can be attributed to what politicans intent are? Well, we might as well shut down the boards now, because there is nothing else to talk about. It is the hight of absurdness to suggest that we must only stick to litteral words, if that was indeed the case then about 80% of your previous arguments against Bush would be moot.

    Now can we discuss this like adults, or do you wish to continue in the absurd?


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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I never claimed you did. I was merely taking the argument against welfare payments to its logical conclusion. It matters not at all to me what you said or what you did not say. It matters not at all to me what you believe or what you do not believe. It matters not at all to me what you think about the contents of the Constitution or what it may allow or does not allow. And it matters not at all to me what you think of my views of the Constitution and what it allows or does not allow.

    All that is irrelevant.

    Reality is all that counts. And reality is that social welfare programs have been in the general welfare of the people of the USA for a very very long time now and that is simply the way it is.

    Problem is that liberals misinterpret the General Welfare clause to mean entitlements of the people when the correct reading points to the enumerated powers.


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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Problem is that liberals misinterpret the General Welfare clause to mean entitlements of the people when the correct reading points to the enumerated powers.


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    Your problem is not with liberals or progressives, with Communists or marxists, with Trotskyites or socialists, or with welfare queens or food stamp pushers. Your problem is with the US Supreme Court who has not seen it your way.
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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your problem is not with liberals or progressives, with Communists or marxists, with Trotskyites or socialists, or with welfare queens or food stamp pushers. Your problem is with the US Supreme Court who has not seen it your way.
    With Justices on that court that believe that we should be looking to foreign law to determine our course, I think those justices do a disservice to the bench, and this country. There is a lot wrong with the SCOTUS today. But there is much wrong with our government right now as well.


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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    So will they be waiving the interest payments from now on???

    Thank you for revealing you understand nothing about the topic.
    You do realize that the interest is $414 billion while the revenues are $2.2 trillion (est)?

    Government - Interest Expense on the Debt Outstanding
    Federal State Local Government Revenue in United States 2011 - Charts Tables

    If you pay the interest, that leaves roughly $1.7 trillion to pay for everything the Federal Government does. The mandatory spending (medicare, medicaid, ss, etc) is $2 trillion after you subtract that interest. So, you cut all the programs by 50%. No choice. That leaves discretionary spending and 700 billion that can be spent. Granted, you don't pay down the debt, but at least you can maintain the current debt level.
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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    What I'm insinuating is that everyone talks about spending cuts, practically everyone is in favor of cutting spending, but when it comes down to specific cuts, people want to protect their favorite program.

    Conservatives, self described, tend to want to cut "social programs", by which they mean anything but the military.
    Liberals are perfectly willing to cut back the military, but aren't adverse to adding more social programs.

    Both have to be cut back, along with tax increases if we're going to ever balance the budget. That's the reality that no one wants to face.
    you sound like Glenn Beck.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your problem is not with liberals or progressives, with Communists or marxists, with Trotskyites or socialists, or with welfare queens or food stamp pushers. Your problem is with the US Supreme Court who has not seen it your way.
    well yeah. much as they claim otherwise, the SCOTUS isn't infallible.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Problem is that liberals misinterpret the General Welfare clause to mean entitlements of the people when the correct reading points to the enumerated powers.

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    And Republicans misinterpret it to fund farm subsidies in the mostly rural red states.
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