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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    So will they be waiving the interest payments from now on???

    Thank you for revealing you understand nothing about the topic.
    What is the yearly interest on the current debt and what percentage is that of the budget?

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Heart transplants to patients with other serious health issues, maybe. Hip replacements, no, that's just routine surgery. As for taking away choices, no, that doesn't work either. If the patient wants a procedure that the rest of us aren't willing to pay for, he/she can pay for it himself. The patient is in control.
    It's all about money, Dittohead, and bureaucracy. If the government wants you to wait two years for a hip transplant, as happens, you will wait two years. Or you will go to a country, as Canadians have been doing, to get the job done sooner.

    You can approve of Obamacare out of ideology or philosophically but it cannot be supported from either a medical or patient-care point of view. The doctor/patient relationship was eroded when big health-care insurance companies became involved and it will be eroded further when government gets involved. It's just the way it works, and we all instinctively know that

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Article I, Section 8 - its all there.
    Spell it out... 'splain it to us, Lucy...

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative
    There is a reason that Conservatives want to cut social spending and that reason is that the Federal Govt. has no business being involved in personal responsibility issues. The results speak for themselves. We have a 14 trillion dollar debt today because of programs like the Great Society and New Deal that is being funded by borrowed money. The fact is state and local communities are responsible for their own citizens and it is up to those entities, not the Federal Bureaucracy to solve social problems. Over 60% of the budget is entitlement spending and that is rediculous waste of money. Because of the dollar amount those entitlement programs are full of waste, fraud, and abuse just like the rest of the Federal Govt.

    I have no problem with a thorough review of the military spending and budget requests. Serious discussions have to take place BUT the role of the Federal Govt. is protection, not providing welfare. This govt. needs to learn to live on less and let the American people keep more of what they earn.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Sounds like you are not familiar with Article I Section 8 of the Constitution.
    Someone (Hay) is confused about this...

    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States
    Hay is confused about the difference between 'general welfare' as stated in Article 1, Section 8, and 'welfare' as a program.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Someone (Hay) is confused about this...



    Hay is confused about the difference between 'general welfare' as stated in Article 1, Section 8, and 'welfare' as a program.
    Not confused in the slightest. Actually I am 100% sure and I have Supreme Court decisions to back up my view of the language.

    However, if you have a Supreme Court ruling that social welfare programs are unconstitutional, by all means present it and the argument is decided in your favor . If not, it seems that reality is in my favor. Of course, you folks on the far right rarely let a little thing like reality to get in the way of ideology and your own personal belief system.

    But why be snide about it... all you have to do is present the official finding of the SC that social welfare programs are a violation of the Constitution as some believe.
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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Not confused in the slightest. Actually I am 100% sure and I have Supreme Court decisions to back up my view of the language.

    However, if you have a Supreme Court ruling that social welfare programs are unconstitutional, by all means present it and the argument is decided in your favor . If not, it seems that reality is in my favor. Of course, you folks on the far right rarely let a little thing like reality to get in the way of ideology and your own personal belief system.

    But why be snide about it... all you have to do is present the official finding of the SC that social welfare programs are a violation of the Constitution as some believe.
    Please... show me where I even remotely said this??? Others may have, but I seriously doubt you'll find a post where I did.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Not confused in the slightest. Actually I am 100% sure and I have Supreme Court decisions to back up my view of the language.

    However, if you have a Supreme Court ruling that social welfare programs are unconstitutional, by all means present it and the argument is decided in your favor . If not, it seems that reality is in my favor. Of course, you folks on the far right rarely let a little thing like reality to get in the way of ideology and your own personal belief system.

    But why be snide about it... all you have to do is present the official finding of the SC that social welfare programs are a violation of the Constitution as some believe.
    You are about to see the will of the people as Congress starts repealing laws that created the massive social policies that are bankrupting the country. there is no question that Congress can make the laws including the welfare programs but that doesn't mean that was the intent of the Founders. What Congress has found out is that they can fund their own existence forever by keeping people dependent and that sets up what happened on Nov. 2. Going to be fun watching all these bleeding heart libreral leeches squealing as their power is taken away.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Please... show me where I even remotely said this??? Others may have, but I seriously doubt you'll find a post where I did.
    So you do NOT have a SC decision saying that social welfare programs are not in the general welfare power of the Congress.

    Case closed. Thank you.
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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You are about to see the will of the people as Congress starts repealing laws that created the massive social policies that are bankrupting the country. there is no question that Congress can make the laws including the welfare programs but that doesn't mean that was the intent of the Founders. What Congress has found out is that they can fund their own existence forever by keeping people dependent and that sets up what happened on Nov. 2. Going to be fun watching all these bleeding heart libreral leeches squealing as their power is taken away.
    And you also DO NOT have a Supreme Court ruling stating that social welfare programs are NOT in the general welfare power of Congress.

    Case stays closed. Thank you too.
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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So you do NOT have a SC decision saying that social welfare programs are not in the general welfare power of the Congress.

    Thank you.
    So, you did not show me where I claimed to have one, or that I said what you seem to thnk I did.

    Thank you. Your apology is accepted.

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