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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Oh Palease!

    So you might have a few less Nukes, that's gonna be worth China invading and Beijing ending up a smouldering, uninhabitable wasteland.

    The only way anyone is invading anyone is if Nukes Became obsolete in totality... and when that day comes, I'll support notions of War with China. Until then, there is absolutely no validity to all of this, especially when we're the only reason their economy does so well.

    Excuse me, but isn't the stated goal of Obama to end the days of Nuclear weapons? Yes, I think he has mentioned that a time or two.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Excuse me, but isn't the stated goal of Obama to end the days of Nuclear weapons? Yes, I think he has mentioned that a time or two.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Please watch from 0:40 please.
    Yeah, yeah, the only time you libs bring Reagan out is when you think that his words are in alignment with your thoughts or actions. Truth is though that they are truly not. Liberals speak all the time that words are out of context when their own words are used against them. Or say that what they said isn't what they meant because of someone not listening, or reading the entirety of their thoughts.

    This is what you have done here my friend.

    It is true that Reagan didn't like a world with Nuclear weapons pointed at each other, weapons that he knew could end the planet in the push of a button. But he wasn't a fool either. Out of that speech where he was talking about eliminating the Nuclear arsenals of the world, he also spoke about 'Trust but verify'....Why would you or the highly disingenuous Cris Matthews leave that part out? Certainly Reagan wasn't talking about us dismantling our Nuclear capabilities without substantial, and verifiable cuts from the rest of the world was he?

    See, you liberals want us to believe if we only take the first step, if we become the example then like in the movies, they will come. Well, to me that is naive beyond belief, and if that is truly how you formulate your conclusions, and use hacks like Matthews from MSNBC to bolster a losing strategy in today's real world, then sir I not only disagree with you, but find it my obligation to work against such an America ending, destructive, and foolish folly.


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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yeah, yeah, the only time you libs bring Reagan out is when you think that his words are in alignment with your thoughts or actions. Truth is though that they are truly not. Liberals speak all the time that words are out of context when their own words are used against them. Or say that what they said isn't what they meant because of someone not listening, or reading the entirety of their thoughts.

    This is what you have done here my friend.

    It is true that Reagan didn't like a world with Nuclear weapons pointed at each other, weapons that he knew could end the planet in the push of a button. But he wasn't a fool either. Out of that speech where he was talking about eliminating the Nuclear arsenals of the world, he also spoke about 'Trust but verify'....Why would you or the highly disingenuous Cris Matthews leave that part out? Certainly Reagan wasn't talking about us dismantling our Nuclear capabilities without substantial, and verifiable cuts from the rest of the world was he?

    See, you liberals want us to believe if we only take the first step, if we become the example then like in the movies, they will come. Well, to me that is naive beyond belief, and if that is truly how you formulate your conclusions, and use hacks like Matthews from MSNBC to bolster a losing strategy in today's real world, then sir I not only disagree with you, but find it my obligation to work against such an America ending, destructive, and foolish folly.


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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yeah, yeah, the only time you libs bring Reagan out is when you think that his words are in alignment with your thoughts or actions. Truth is though that they are truly not. Liberals speak all the time that words are out of context when their own words are used against them. Or say that what they said isn't what they meant because of someone not listening, or reading the entirety of their thoughts.

    This is what you have done here my friend.

    It is true that Reagan didn't like a world with Nuclear weapons pointed at each other, weapons that he knew could end the planet in the push of a button. But he wasn't a fool either. Out of that speech where he was talking about eliminating the Nuclear arsenals of the world, he also spoke about 'Trust but verify'....Why would you or the highly disingenuous Cris Matthews leave that part out? Certainly Reagan wasn't talking about us dismantling our Nuclear capabilities without substantial, and verifiable cuts from the rest of the world was he?

    See, you liberals want us to believe if we only take the first step, if we become the example then like in the movies, they will come. Well, to me that is naive beyond belief, and if that is truly how you formulate your conclusions, and use hacks like Matthews from MSNBC to bolster a losing strategy in today's real world, then sir I not only disagree with you, but find it my obligation to work against such an America ending, destructive, and foolish folly.


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    J-Mac, PLEASE Come on!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I knew you'd bring up the Matthews card. I didn't use that clip because of Matthews ok, I used it, because you said the following:

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Excuse me, but isn't the stated goal of Obama to end the days of Nuclear weapons? Yes, I think he has mentioned that a time or two.

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    So was Reagans! That's all I used the clip for, to show you his stated goal was the same as Obamas. And lets not forget this:

    AFP: Kissinger, former top US diplomats endorse START

    WASHINGTON — Five former US secretaries of state called Wednesday for ratification of the landmark arms control treaty with Russia, saying it would continue a decades-long effort to make the world safer.

    A joint article appearing in the Washington Post was signed by Henry Kissinger, George Shultz, James Baker, Lawrence Eagleburger and Colin Powell, secretaries of state for the past five Republican presidents.

    "Republican presidents have long led the crucial fight to protect the United States against nuclear dangers," the diplomats wrote.

    "That is why presidents Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush (Bush senior) negotiated the SALT I, START I and START II agreements. It is why president George W. Bush negotiated the Moscow Treaty... The world is safer today because of the decades-long effort to reduce its supply of nuclear weapons.
    And yet you sit there spouting your usual "Liberal This, Liberal That" nonsense, when I thought we had moved past that.

    You are being highly hypocritical here.

    Obama does not want to destroy the US. He does not wanna leave it defenseless, He will not take your nuclear weapons offline.

    Relax.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    J-Mac, PLEASE Come on!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I knew you'd bring up the Matthews card.

    Well then, you should stop underestimating me and debate like you know what is pap, and what is not. Matthews is an idiot, should I counter with Rush? They would be on the same par would they not?


    I didn't use that clip because of Matthews ok, I used it, because you said the following:

    So was Reagans! That's all I used the clip for, to show you his stated goal was the same as Obamas.
    Yeah, now you come on, you put out that clip in hopes of getting me to stutter and capitulate, based on some pretty disingenuous comparison. Truth is that although Obama, and Reagan's goals of a Nuke free world may be the same in name, it is in name only. Their rhetoric, and path to get there couldn't be further apart.


    While Reagan had a strong defense in mind while eliminating the worlds nukes, and furthering the goals of freedom, and democracy, Obama has pure weak kneed capitulation in true Chamberlin fashion as his template, and the world sees that weakness. Think about it, one path leads to America's strength, and leadership, and the other, leads to weakness, destruction of the mere thought that America is exceptional, and ultimate devaluation of America as a leader in the world as a force for good.

    And yet you sit there spouting your usual "Liberal This, Liberal That" nonsense, when I thought we had moved past that.
    I am always up for reasonable ideas, does that mean that I must jettison my values in order for you to think me reasoned?

    You are being highly hypocritical here.
    I don't think I am, but you are more than welcome to point out how so.


    Obama does not want to destroy the US. He does not wanna leave it defenseless, He will not take your nuclear weapons offline.

    Relax.
    And the reason you can say that with any certainty is because the political pressure will not allow him to just unilaterally do these things, or judging by his words in the past years would suggest differently. Start with Dreams of my Father, and the Anti Colonial message you have there, and move on with unbiased eyes, and you will see the plans regardless of the day to day rhetoric he deceives you with.


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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well then, you should stop underestimating me and debate like you know what is pap, and what is not. Matthews is an idiot, should I counter with Rush? They would be on the same par would they not?
    I wasn't using anything Chris Matthews said as evidence. That point is null and void, I simply needed to use a clip which had Reagan saying what he said.


    Yeah, now you come on, you put out that clip in hopes of getting me to stutter and capitulate, based on some pretty disingenuous comparison. Truth is that although Obama, and Reagan's goals of a Nuke free world may be the same in name, it is in name only. Their rhetoric, and path to get there couldn't be further apart.

    While Reagan had a strong defense in mind while eliminating the worlds nukes, and furthering the goals of freedom, and democracy, Obama has pure weak kneed capitulation in true Chamberlin fashion as his template, and the world sees that weakness. Think about it, one path leads to America's strength, and leadership, and the other, leads to weakness, destruction of the mere thought that America is exceptional, and ultimate devaluation of America as a leader in the world as a force for good.
    Partisan grandstanding nonsense.



    am always up for reasonable ideas, does that mean that I must jettison my values in order for you to think me reasoned?

    I don't think I am, but you are more than welcome to point out how so.

    And the reason you can say that with any certainty is because the political pressure will not allow him to just unilaterally do these things, or judging by his words in the past years would suggest differently. Start with Dreams of my Father, and the Anti Colonial message you have there, and move on with unbiased eyes, and you will see the plans regardless of the day to day rhetoric he deceives you with.


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    So you completely ignore the fact that Republicans from days past, many republicans now, and simply many people believe It's a good treaty, because you know OH SO MUCH MORE then they do, and you obviously know exactly how Obamas trying to make America defenseless, and make it a force for evil in the world... or something, and your evidence for this is your own views.

    Reagan, And Obamas treaties aren't that disimilar, and yes, it's a real shame you won't be able to Nuke Sweden.

    Get a grip man, please. You said simply that Obamas stated goal, was a nuclear free world. You never said he wanted to make America a force for evil, make America defenseless, or anything else.

    I simply showed you, that it was Reagans stated goal as well. You decided to bring up the whole Liberal Liberal Liberal nonsense you always do, when you know you've been proven wrong.

    Who doesn't want a nuclear free world? Man shouldn't have the power to destroy the only home we have.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be catastrophic | Reuters



    Congress has raised the debt ceiling six times in the last three years to keep pace with our deteriorating financial situation. It is currently pegged at $14.3 trillion, but to put this in perspective, a little over three years ago the debt limit was less than $9 trillion.

    It seems the Democrats solution (yes, I blame the Democrats for the last 6 increases, as they were in control and the vote was along party lines), to the problem of spending beyond our means... is to simply increase or credit limit and keep spending.

    The GOP wants to end this practice, and the Obama administration considers that possibly catastrophic. Typical.
    You should probably get a better understanding about the process before assigning blame.

    Your post only reveals your own confusion about the issue.

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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I'm hoping for "catastrophic".
    I agree, but catastrophic will be our social security or military.
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    Re: Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

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