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    G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Soon after the 112th Congress convenes Wednesday, Republicans in the House plan to make good on a campaign promise that helped vault many new members to victory: voting to repeal President Obama’s health care overhaul.

    “If we pass this bill with a sizable vote, and I think that we will, it will put enormous pressure on the Senate to do perhaps the same thing,” Mr. Upton said on “Fox News Sunday.” “But then, after that, we’re going to go after this bill piece by piece.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/03/us.../03repubs.html
    And it will be bi-partisan! (Notice the NYT journOlists refrain from mentioning that bit?)

    How about the Senate? Will we see bi-partisanship there? Or more bull-ship? ROTFLOL.
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    Upton, a Michigan Republican, said that his party had 242 votes in favor of repeal, and that "there will be a significant number of Democrats who will join us."
    New Congress sets its eyes on oversight - CNN.com
    Decisive, historic victories are game changing. I wonder... how many Dems that voted for the stink bomb called ObamaKare will vote to repeal it?

    Any guesses?

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    I hope they also plan to allow hospitals to turn away ER patients who can't afford to pay. You know, since paying for the healthcare of others is so terrible for us. If we're not going to do it efficiently, maybe we should stop doing it.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I hope they also plan to allow hospitals to turn away ER patients who can't afford to pay. You know, since paying for the healthcare of others is so terrible for us. If we're not going to do it efficiently, maybe we should stop doing it.
    I am inclined to agree. It should either be one way or the other. We should either let people die in the street or we need to manage healthcare effectively. Unfortunately the recent healthcare legislation is so bastardized that it doesn't really manage healthcare effectively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I am inclined to agree. It should either be one way or the other. We should either let people die in the street or we need to manage healthcare effectively. Unfortunately the recent healthcare legislation is so bastardized that it doesn't really manage healthcare effectively.
    Geez, maneez.

    NO ONE is saying healthcare shouldn't be reformed, but not in the nationalized abortion form that Obamacare is carefully predestined to become.

    But that will be what Obama runs on: "We gave the rich their tax cuts, and they STILL want to take away your healthcare!"

    No you didn't, and know we don't.

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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Geez, maneez.

    NO ONE is saying healthcare shouldn't be reformed, but not in the nationalized abortion form that Obamacare is carefully predestined to become.

    But that will be what Obama runs on: "We gave the rich their tax cuts, and they STILL want to take away your healthcare!"

    No you didn't, and know we don't.
    So what's your healthcare reform plan?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I hope they also plan to allow hospitals to turn away ER patients who can't afford to pay. You know, since paying for the healthcare of others is so terrible for us. If we're not going to do it efficiently, maybe we should stop doing it.

    So you admit that "access" was never the issue?


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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So what's your healthcare reform plan?

    My God, it took the Apollo project over a year, and 2100 pages to lay this current turd on us, and you want him to write a plan right this moment?

    Unreasonable much?

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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    My God, it took the Apollo project over a year, and 2100 pages to lay this current turd on us, and you want him to write a plan right this moment?

    Unreasonable much?

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    Actually, no.

    What I'd like for any GOP Senator to do is show that their health care proposals were any better than what was signed into law. Better yet, show a proposal where GOP ideas weren't incorporated into the law. I think it's been archieved by now, but there use to be a thread in the Health Care forum that linked to a spreadsheet listing all of the health care reform bill proposals. I reviewed most of them and if memory serves me correctly, there were only 2 leading GOP proposals and both offered many of the same things we eventually got in "ObamaCare"...

    - eliminating pre-existing conditions
    - raising the federal poverty limit
    - expanding Medicaid
    - reducing fraud, waste and abuse in Medicare and funding and/or closing the "donut hole" for prescription drugs
    - starting state-sponsored health insurance exchanges (a GOP idea)
    - reducing or eliminating the life-time cap of benefits

    About the only thing all the proposals had in common was none really offered a clear way to reduce health care costs or pay for their proposals upfront. So, GOP, if you're going to repeal what's already out there, you'd better come up with something much better than what we got! As I've said several times before, HR 3590 - Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - was the best compromise we were going to get in this country's present partisan atmosphere.

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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    My God, it took the Apollo project over a year, and 2100 pages to lay this current turd on us, and you want him to write a plan right this moment?

    Unreasonable much?

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    They've had countless years - they could have done something substantial by now.

    Actually - they did. At the time the AACHA was circulating there were several other extensive plans either presented in bill-form . . . or being worked on.

    Some were just as ridiculous. Some were simple and fixed just a few things. Other measure were meant to be applied slowly to permit adjustment before presenting or writing the next measure. . . and so on.

    The sheer number of ignored plans that were presented or suggested is astonishing.
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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    And it will be bi-partisan! (Notice the NYT journOlists refrain from mentioning that bit?)

    How about the Senate? Will we see bi-partisanship there? Or more bull-ship? ROTFLOL.
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    Decisive, historic victories are game changing. I wonder... how many Dems that voted for the stink bomb called ObamaKare will vote to repeal it?

    Any guesses?

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    I think some may be willing to stand up to Pelosi now. They saw how so many Dems were thrown under the bus for voting for the piece of crap.

    I think despite Harry Ried they may vote to repeal it in the senate too. Remember they also have the Dem from WV who is pretty much a conservative.
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