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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    along with giving individuals the same tax benefits as corporations get for money spent on health insurance or care? and getting rid of border restrictions?

    In Indiana's HSA, the state deposits $2,750 per year into an account controlled by the employee, out of which he pays all his health bills. Indiana covers the premium for the plan. The intent is that participants will become more cost-conscious and careful about overpayment or overutilization.

    Unused funds in the account—to date some $30 million or about $2,000 per employee and growing fast—are the worker's permanent property. For the very small number of employees (about 6% last year) who use their entire account balance, the state shares further health costs up to an out-of-pocket maximum of $8,000, after which the employee is completely protected.

    The HSA option has proven highly popular. This year, over 70% of our 30,000 Indiana state workers chose it, by far the highest in public-sector America. Due to the rejection of these plans by government unions, the average use of HSAs in the public sector across the country is just 2%...

    State employees enrolled in the consumer-driven plan will save more than $8 million in 2010 compared to their coworkers in the old-fashioned preferred provider organization (PPO) alternative. In the second straight year in which we've been forced to skip salary increases, workers switching to the HSA are adding thousands of dollars to their take-home pay. (Even if an employee had health issues and incurred the maximum out-of-pocket expenses, he would still be hundreds of dollars ahead.) HSA customers seem highly satisfied; only 3% have opted to switch back to the PPO.

    The state is saving, too. In a time of severe budgetary stress, Indiana will save at least $20 million in 2010 because of our high HSA enrollment. Mercer calculates the state's total costs are being reduced by 11% solely due to the HSA option...

    The Indiana experience confirms what common sense already tells us: A system built on "cost-plus" reimbursement (i.e., the more a physician does, the more he or she gets paid) coupled with "free" to the purchaser consumption, is a machine perfectly designed to overconsume and overspend. It will never be controlled by top-down balloon-squeezing by insurance companies or the government. There will be no meaningful cost control until we are all cost controllers in our own right.
    I keep hearing a lot of good things about Daniels and what he is doing in Indiana. I lived in Carmel for 14 years and loved my days in Indiana. It was terrible seeing that state go Blue in 2008 but glad to hear that the sanity is back.

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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    there are plenty of people who want him to run for President in '12. i would rather have him than any of the other big-name contenders, but i wonder if he could win.

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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    So, they're admitting that they were victories.

    And they're going to devote themselves entirely to meaningless political showboating instead of serving the people. (it beats working for a living)

    GO Tea Party!!

    30% of the (misinformed) people want health care repealed.

    30% DOES NOT = a majority, morons.
    If you say so. Only 15% want to keep it as.
    Americans Split on Health Care Repeal, Poll Shows | CNSnews.com
    Overall, Americans remain divided about the changes. Among likely voters, 52 percent oppose the legislation, compared with 41 percent who said they support it. Strong opponents outnumber strong supporters by 2-to-1.

    Among likely voters, 36 percent said they want to revise the law so it does more to change the health care system. A nearly identical share -- 37 percent -- said they want to repeal it completely.
    In the poll, only 15 percent said they would leave the overhaul as it is. And 10 percent wanted modifications to narrow its scope.

    An Associated Press-GfK poll found likely voters evenly split on whether the law should be scrapped or retooled to make even bigger changes in the way Americans get their health care.
    Poll: Support for Repeal of Health-Care Reform Law Increases After One Month | CNSnews.com

    Behind the Numbers - Health care opponents divided on repeal
    Overall, 52 percent of those polled oppose the overhaul to the health care system, 43 percent are supportive of it. Fully 86 percent of Republicans are against the legislation; 67 percent of Democrats support it. Independents divide down the middle, with 47 percent in favor and the same number opposed.
    Most of those who oppose the health care changes - 59 percent - want the law repealed, but 38 percent would prefer a "wait and see" approach. Moreover, those who favor repeal are split about evenly between a complete rollback (29 percent of all opponents) and a one that's limited to parts of the law (30 percent).
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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    If we're not going to do it efficiently, maybe we should stop doing it.
    As it is the ER cost for indigents is paid for by the insurance and health care bureaucracies which are more efficient and less corrupt than the government would be.

    So what's your healthcare reform plan?
    Turn all health care over to the health care providers managed by the AMA and pay for it with taxes. A small tax based on income – taxes based on life style – taxes on employers based on work safety – share traffic fines with health care – share sin taxes with health care – tax fat people – we already tax smokers so all of that should go to the health care system – no rebates for the thin.

    All health care providers would be paid a small salary – procedure fees and then a big bonus based on customer satisfaction and a pear review. All malpractice would be decided by a special court of five doctors and the compensation for accidents would come out of all health care providers’ bonus pool. Real malpractice would come our of the guilty health care providers pay.

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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    how many Dems that voted for the stink bomb called ObamaKare will vote to repeal it?
    there are 19 dems still in the house who voted NO on obamacare in march

    there are 242 republicans in JOHN BOEHNER'S bailiwick

    this appears a done deal

    next wednesday the united states house of representatives will REPEAL the president's prime piece, which even progressives support but tepidly

    the voice of the voter was unequivocal in november, elections have consequences

    if REPEAL does proceed to upper parliament, it will likely lose

    but MOMENTUM for defunding, for holding hearings on a dozen topics, like the individual mandate, the burden on the states, the half T cuts to medicare, the 1099's, the exemptions allowed for SOME of the toobigs, the govt's compilation of personal data on ALL OF US, even FUNDING OF ABORTION has been bruited...

    momentum at the STATE levels for gubs and legs and INSURANCE COMMISSIONERS to withhold their cooperation...

    and, of course, our campaign continues in the courts

    it appears unstoppable---REPEAL in pelosi's previous place

    by a margin of something like 250 to 180...

    you progressives are just gonna have to punish us reprobates in the presidential, seeya then

    we'll see whom mom and pop approve
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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    along with giving individuals the same tax benefits as corporations get for money spent on health insurance or care? and getting rid of border restrictions?

    In Indiana's HSA, the state deposits $2,750 per year into an account controlled by the employee, out of which he pays all his health bills. Indiana covers the premium for the plan. The intent is that participants will become more cost-conscious and careful about overpayment or overutilization.

    Unused funds in the account—to date some $30 million or about $2,000 per employee and growing fast—are the worker's permanent property. For the very small number of employees (about 6% last year) who use their entire account balance, the state shares further health costs up to an out-of-pocket maximum of $8,000, after which the employee is completely protected.

    The HSA option has proven highly popular. This year, over 70% of our 30,000 Indiana state workers chose it, by far the highest in public-sector America. Due to the rejection of these plans by government unions, the average use of HSAs in the public sector across the country is just 2%...

    State employees enrolled in the consumer-driven plan will save more than $8 million in 2010 compared to their coworkers in the old-fashioned preferred provider organization (PPO) alternative. In the second straight year in which we've been forced to skip salary increases, workers switching to the HSA are adding thousands of dollars to their take-home pay. (Even if an employee had health issues and incurred the maximum out-of-pocket expenses, he would still be hundreds of dollars ahead.) HSA customers seem highly satisfied; only 3% have opted to switch back to the PPO.

    The state is saving, too. In a time of severe budgetary stress, Indiana will save at least $20 million in 2010 because of our high HSA enrollment. Mercer calculates the state's total costs are being reduced by 11% solely due to the HSA option...

    The Indiana experience confirms what common sense already tells us: A system built on "cost-plus" reimbursement (i.e., the more a physician does, the more he or she gets paid) coupled with "free" to the purchaser consumption, is a machine perfectly designed to overconsume and overspend. It will never be controlled by top-down balloon-squeezing by insurance companies or the government. There will be no meaningful cost control until we are all cost controllers in our own right.
    CC I read your plan, and although I like aspects of it, it really doesn't say anything about the economics of it. Nor does it roll out how it all might play out in practicality.

    cpwill.. This plan here is more closely aligned with my plan that I developed 6 years ago on another forum, and am still working out the math aspects, but suffice it to say that health savings plans are similar to my health savings plan with government matching. Similar to stock matching by corporations. The idea is to be completely bi-partisan (We all seem to have that goal and I wish our politicians would too) but also phase it in. I see no way to phase in this plan in Indiana, and although it works on a micro level, it could not work if you place all the people in the USA into it at point zero. This plan could not work without it being fine tuned to allow for a phased in approach.

    My plan actually phases out medicare and medicaid, and allows for the addition of phasing out part of the burden on SS. It very complex, but it is not complete, and I'm sorry to tease you with it, but I simply haven't finished it yet, and it needs some work. Mainly on the math, and getting it correct so that it is self sustaining at the magic 10 year mark. The plan itself is self sustaining when fully implemented, but I'm trying to get the math correct so that it could be so in 10 years.


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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Make that the FORMER Republican Party. Their heads has been pulled out of their asses. It's a new day. Time to get some new material.
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    You gotta love these GOP and teabaggers. They bitched and moaned that Obama didn't focus on the economy...and what are their first two issues: A pointless symbolic vote to repeal healthcare (which they know is a waste of time and will never happen) and subpoenas and witchhunts. What ever happened to their "Jobs, Jobs, Jobs"?
    What a bunch of hypocrites!!!!
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Make that the FORMER Republican Party. Their heads has been pulled out of their asses. It's a new day. Time to get some new material.
    Its a "new day"...really? Then why is it the same ole ****?
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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