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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Do tell, or at least can you point me to a link that sums it up?


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    I think it was during the many health care threads, I seem to recall that it was actually pretty good.


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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    So, they're admitting that they were victories.

    And they're going to devote themselves entirely to meaningless political showboating instead of serving the people. (it beats working for a living)

    GO Tea Party!!

    30% of the (misinformed) people want health care repealed.

    30% DOES NOT = a majority, morons.

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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    The masses don't NEED to understand the health care bill (now, for the moment, law). They simply need to sit down, shut up, and do what the liberals say they should do.
    I thought it was that they need to sit down, shut up, and do what the conservatives say they should do. You must have your wires crossed.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Do tell, or at least can you point me to a link that sums it up?


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    I've posted it a couple of times in a couple of threads. Here you go:

    I posted this nearly 18 months ago. I've mentioned it to a few posters recently, who liked it... and I got a bit of support across the political spectrum when I originally posted it. So, I figured I'd post it, again, and ask for feedback, thoughts, and ways to augment my "Plan" into something that we would think would be a viable compromised to everything that has been suggested. So, here is my plan:

    Heath care would be broken up into a three-tiered program:

    1) Tier 1: Government subsidized health care. Plans paid for and monitored by the government. These plans would be universal and would be paid for via taxes of folks who "opted in" to this plan. It would be "one size fits all" with no variation on the plan itself. Any treatment deemed medically necessary by the treating physician would be covered. No elective, non-necessary or experimental procedures would be, however.

    2) Tier 2: Private insurance, Similar to what we have now with some notable exceptions. No utilization review, Insurance companies no longer have the right to deny coverage for any reason, as long as the benefit is available. Only the treating medical professional can decide whether a treatment is appropriate or not. Strict government regulations aimed at streamlining the paperwork aspect, including mandatory centralization both of billing locations and of billing and other forms. Failure to comply with these regulations, suspend the company's ability to do business.

    Folks who go this route, automatically "opt out" of the government plan and are not due to pay the taxes that subsidize that plan.

    Borrowing from HarryGuerilla, plans are developed on an "ala carte" basis. You want coverage for catastrophic illness only? No problem. How about physicals and x-rays, only? Easy peasy. What about the works, except for obstetrics? Good to go. This kind of choice will allow for folks to get precisely the kind of coverage they want, rather than getting coverage for things they do not.

    3) Tier 3: Private Pay. Complete out of pocket, pay for service plan. No insurance whatsoever. "Opt out" of government plan and related government taxes in total effect.

    Additional parts to this.

    1) Under no circumstances are illegal aliens covered under any health plan, government or private.

    2) If you opt out of the government plan, and you do not have catastrophic coverage under your private plan, under no circumstances will the government subsidize your care. If a doctor chooses to see you, unsure of your ability to pay for the service, even with a catastrophic illness, even if it is a child, it is then on the doctor to collect fees. The government will NOT subsidize in any way, nor is any doctor or hospital required to provide any charity care. You make a choice, you need to live with it.

    3) Bankruptcies will NOT eliminate medical costs. They must be paid in full, no matter what.

    4) TORT reform with reasonable caps on any suing for malpractice.

    5) The ability to sue an insurance company for not paying for services that are in a patient's benefit package. Yes, this happens more often than you think, currently.

    6) I love the "apprentice" program that has been suggested in this thread, and am incorporating it in my plan. As one who has trained and supervised many professionals, I would like to see this expanded. Getting appropriate experience is one of the major challenges to entering this field.

    7) Denial for pre-existing conditions is eliminated in both the government and the private insurance plans.

    8) Preventative care is covered fully by both the government and private insurance plans. No co-pays whatsoever. Tax breaks could be given to insurance companies and doctors who encourage preventative care, and to citizens who engage in this.

    9) Reduction of the time period that pharmaceutical companies hold patents on medications, preventing generics from being produced. My thought would be no more than 5 years.

    One thing of note. #6... the apprentice plan was actually suggested by LaMidRighter... and now again in the Welfare thread by reefedjib. It was a good idea then, and still a good idea, now. As you can also see, my "plans" tend to be tiered, with different levels of control and freedom, attempting to cater to all sides of the political spectrum, socio-economic levels, but with allowing for the least amount of manipulation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    I just found this link on one of the blogs... looks legit, as well as short and readable.


    http://rules-republicans.house.gov/M...R__-Repeal.pdf
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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    So, they're admitting that they were victories.

    And they're going to devote themselves entirely to meaningless political showboating instead of serving the people. (it beats working for a living)

    GO Tea Party!!

    30% of the (misinformed) people want health care repealed.

    30% DOES NOT = a majority, morons.
    Passing a healthcare bill that is more new tax law than health care and authorizes funding for the president's private army is, "serving the people"?

    Is killing jobs, "serving the people"?

    The Dems, "served the people", alright. Served us up for supper.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Passing a healthcare bill that is more new tax law than health care and authorizes funding for the president's private army is, "serving the people"?

    Is killing jobs, "serving the people"?

    The Dems, "served the people", alright. Served us up for supper.
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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    I thought the election was about the economy and specifically jobs. Jobs! Where's the jobs, Mr. Boehner?

    Rehashing past debates and past votes doesn't get the economy rolling again. Republicans are making a huge error.
    It's not government's job to create jobs. Their job is to create a friendly envirionment for the private sector to create jobs. That might mean something like getting the hec out of the way. Something this administration has been a failure at. All it knows how to create is uncertainty.
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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So what's your healthcare reform plan?
    along with giving individuals the same tax benefits as corporations get for money spent on health insurance or care? and getting rid of border restrictions?

    In Indiana's HSA, the state deposits $2,750 per year into an account controlled by the employee, out of which he pays all his health bills. Indiana covers the premium for the plan. The intent is that participants will become more cost-conscious and careful about overpayment or overutilization.

    Unused funds in the account—to date some $30 million or about $2,000 per employee and growing fast—are the worker's permanent property. For the very small number of employees (about 6% last year) who use their entire account balance, the state shares further health costs up to an out-of-pocket maximum of $8,000, after which the employee is completely protected.

    The HSA option has proven highly popular. This year, over 70% of our 30,000 Indiana state workers chose it, by far the highest in public-sector America. Due to the rejection of these plans by government unions, the average use of HSAs in the public sector across the country is just 2%...

    State employees enrolled in the consumer-driven plan will save more than $8 million in 2010 compared to their coworkers in the old-fashioned preferred provider organization (PPO) alternative. In the second straight year in which we've been forced to skip salary increases, workers switching to the HSA are adding thousands of dollars to their take-home pay. (Even if an employee had health issues and incurred the maximum out-of-pocket expenses, he would still be hundreds of dollars ahead.) HSA customers seem highly satisfied; only 3% have opted to switch back to the PPO.

    The state is saving, too. In a time of severe budgetary stress, Indiana will save at least $20 million in 2010 because of our high HSA enrollment. Mercer calculates the state's total costs are being reduced by 11% solely due to the HSA option...

    The Indiana experience confirms what common sense already tells us: A system built on "cost-plus" reimbursement (i.e., the more a physician does, the more he or she gets paid) coupled with "free" to the purchaser consumption, is a machine perfectly designed to overconsume and overspend. It will never be controlled by top-down balloon-squeezing by insurance companies or the government. There will be no meaningful cost control until we are all cost controllers in our own right.

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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I hope they also plan to allow hospitals to turn away ER patients who can't afford to pay. You know, since paying for the healthcare of others is so terrible for us. If we're not going to do it efficiently, maybe we should stop doing it.
    How does the cost of ER services in Houston TX affect people in Indianapolis, Indiana? That is a typical liberal argument without thinking this through at all. Local and states pay the bills for ER Service and it is up to the state and local communities to solve the problem. One way of reducing costs would be to deduct the cost of illegal alien ER services from foreign aid to the country of their origin.

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