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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I agree. I'm not sure what the point of ANY bill is if it cannot be understood by the masses.
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    By the masses? How about being understood by the people voting on them?
    This clip is unbelievable. How does that man still have a job?
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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    God, please let them repeal this beast.
    Health Law Bans New Doctor-Owned Hospitals, Blocks Expansion of Existing Ones | CNSnews.com
    The rules fall under Title VI, Section 6001 of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. The provision is titled “Physician Ownership and Other Transparency – Limitations on Medicare Exceptions to the Prohibition on Certain Physician Referral for Hospitals.”

    More than 60 doctor-owned hospitals across the country that were in the development stage will be canceled, said Molly Sandvig, executive director of Physician Hospitals of America (PHA).

    “That’s a lot of access to communities that will be denied,” Sandvig told CNSNews.com. “The existing hospitals are greatly affected. They can’t grow. They can’t add beds. They can’t add rooms. Basically, it stifles their ability to change and meet market needs. This is really an unfortunate thing as well, because we are talking about some of the best hospitals in the country.”
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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I agree. I'm not sure what the point of ANY bill is if it cannot be understood by the masses.
    The masses don't NEED to understand the health care bill (now, for the moment, law). They simply need to sit down, shut up, and do what the liberals say they should do.

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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    And I used to be a liberal. We have a right to change our minds.

    The mandate is not working in Mass. Maybe we should learn from them.
    Everyone has the right to change their opinions or their party affiliation. But where this about-face by the GOP on the individual mandate is concerned, I've read nothing nor heard nothing from the GOP leadership that expressly outlines why they're now against it when the mandate was their idea in the first place. Clearly, their reasons for it were fairly identical to the Democrats w/ObamaCare. So, what changed?

    The Constitution? No new amendments have been added nor taken away.

    Health care costs? Premium rates have been on the rise for years and still rising with or without ObamaCare being passed.

    Are there more or fewer people going w/o health insurance now than before? By all statistics, more people are dropping their insurance (or being dropped) because its unaffordable. And mind you, it's not employers who are dropping them; it's the insurance companies themselves finding reasons to deny coverage.

    Are there fewer people using ERs to seek medical attention? No; those numbers have also increased over the years, even moreso during this recessionary period we're still fighting our way out of.

    Medicare cost decrease? Not since Medicare, Part-D was enacted w/o being funded and the "donut-hole" is still problematic for senior citizens. Moreover, with more and more seniors going onto Medicare and/or disabled receiving SSI, I don't see these costs going down significantly any time soon.

    Has the government spent less to subsidize employer-sponsored health insurance premiums? By all accounts, the government is still paying a hefty price towards subsidized health care cost.

    Have the individual or group markets change? I haven't seen any evidence that HSAs have risen or proven more beneficial than a regular, individual health insurance policy. So, I'd say no here as well.

    Are high-risk pools less appealing to insurance markets today than they were 17-25 yrs ago? Still the same risk assessment today as they were years ago.

    So, what in the GOP's view changed?

    I'm still waiting for someone within the GOP leadership to provide a straight answer. I could deal with their push to repeal the health care law if they just informed the American people their true reason for no longer being for the mandate other than "it's unconstitutional". Really? So far, the Supreme Court hasn't ruled on that yet. So, to say such is foolish.

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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    So, what in the GOP's view changed?

    Would you like to hear my opinion based theory?


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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Any legislation to repeal the Health care Act will have to be signed into law by President Obama. Guess what GOP Representatives?

    It's not going to happen.
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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Any legislation to repeal the Health care Act will have to be signed into law by President Obama. Guess what GOP Representatives?

    It's not going to happen.

    So I guess Obama's calls for compromise, and bipartisanship are what then? Lies....That's right outright lies by Obama. I guess in liberals minds compromise does indeed mean drop your opposition and see things my way.

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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    I thought the election was about the economy and specifically jobs. Jobs! Where's the jobs, Mr. Boehner?

    Rehashing past debates and past votes doesn't get the economy rolling again. Republicans are making a huge error.
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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    I thought the election was about the economy and specifically jobs. Jobs! Where's the jobs, Mr. Boehner?

    Rehashing past debates and past votes doesn't get the economy rolling again. Republicans are making a huge error.

    Let's see....Repubs in charge for hours now, Demo lying libtards for the past four years....Maybe you should ask them where the jobs are.


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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Actually, I've come up with a pretty basic plan that has received near bipartisan support from DP members. It's not so difficult and probably a whole lot simpler to understand than anything the government can come up with.
    Do tell, or at least can you point me to a link that sums it up?


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