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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    My God, it took the Apollo project over a year, and 2100 pages to lay this current turd on us, and you want him to write a plan right this moment?

    Unreasonable much?

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    Actually, I've come up with a pretty basic plan that has received near bipartisan support from DP members. It's not so difficult and probably a whole lot simpler to understand than anything the government can come up with.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I meant to link to this article which illustrates my point better where past support by the GOP on the individual mandate is concerned. But the USAToday.com article hits home two interesting points as well: Both Nixon and GHW Bush both supported an individual mandate with their health care reform measures. Just goes to show a historical fact: Republicans were for the mandate as long as it was their idea instituted in their own way. But once it became a Democrat idea, suddenly the mandate became "unconstitutional" and the ensuing excuse for not supporting it now has been, "we didn't know then what we know know about why it was such a bad idea". Really?

    A few names of those within the GOP who once supported the individual mandate (four of which are still in Congress today):

    John McCain, Charles Grassley, Chris Bond, Robert Bennet, Mark Pauly, Bill Frist, Tommy Thompson and Orrin Hatch

    There are doctors and lawyers among the GOP political landscape who were in Congress then and are still in Congress now, but you didn't know then what you know now concerning the concept behind an idea that was yours to begin with? Anyone who believes that garbage is just fooling themselves.
    And I used to be a liberal. We have a right to change our minds.

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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Let me just add to my previous post that I think charities would probably move in to fill the gaps for most of those that truly can’t afford health insurance.
    Human psychology would absolutely prevent that from being a reality. No way would charity fill in the gaps.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Let me just add to my previous post that I think charities would probably move in to fill the gaps for most of those that truly can’t afford health insurance.
    they don't now, so why would that change?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    If you really feel that strongly against the PPAC Act, maybe you should read the bill, outline those things you really don't like about it and then write your Congressman/Senator and ask that he/she strengthen the bill instead of trying to repeal it just to win political brownie points.

    Well gee Wally, thanks for telling me how to do it, because gosh, I wudda never figured that one out.

    but really now, as a rational person, how much of that 2100 page monstrosity that Nancy Pelosi said we could only find out what was in it if we passed it, is total crap? I mean, it was passed, and if anything the opposition to it keeps rising, how do you explain that?


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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Actually, I've come up with a pretty basic plan that has received near bipartisan support from DP members. It's not so difficult and probably a whole lot simpler to understand than anything the government can come up with.
    The rule KISS is always a winner.


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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The rule KISS is always a winner.


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    I would agree. It is tiered and appeases liberal, conservative, and libertarian sensibilities.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    here's a start. there are two links here. One a summary and one the text

    Health Care - GOP Solutions for America - GOP.gov
    Those aren't a reform plan. I know, because the Democrats told me so.

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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I would agree. It is tiered and appeases liberal, conservative, and libertarian sensibilities.

    *Sigh* I think in the end, all the people want is something they can read and understand in an evening. Not some bloated bill with legal speak throughout, that no one gets a chance to read until it is too late.


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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    *Sigh* I think in the end, all the people want is something they can read and understand in an evening. Not some bloated bill with legal speak throughout, that no one gets a chance to read until it is too late.


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    I agree. I'm not sure what the point of ANY bill is if it cannot be understood by the masses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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