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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I hope they also plan to allow hospitals to turn away ER patients who can't afford to pay. You know, since paying for the healthcare of others is so terrible for us. If we're not going to do it efficiently, maybe we should stop doing it.
    People should still have to make minimal payments on ER treatments even if they're low income. Illegals on the other hand......
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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    The last number i heard that it would save $219 billion.
    Director's Blog Blog Archive Additional Information on CBO’s Preliminary Analysis of H.R. 2

    Extrapolating the estimated budgetary effects of the original health care legislation and accounting for the effects of subsequent legislation, CBO anticipates that enacting H.R. 2 would probably yield, for the 2012-2021 period, a reduction in revenues in the neighborhood of $770 billion and a reduction in outlays in the vicinity of $540 billion, plus or minus the effects of forthcoming technical and economic changes to CBOs and JCTs projections.
    770B in taxes to "save" 230 is not really what most americans consider a "savings"

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    what facts have i ignored?
    well...

    LOL!

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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    concerning 2012, which was being talked about a couple pages back on this thread:

    Lieberman Won't Run in 2012 | NBC Connecticut

    seeing as it's connecticut we're looking at, one would have to assume blues still hold a nice edge

    but dan malloy did beat tom foley for hartford by only half a percent on tsunami tuesday

    and an OPEN seat is significantly easier to pick off than one sat in by a man of jiltin joe lieberman's stature

    most to the point, here, in my opinion---lieberman is a very likely loss for the party of schumer, reid and durbin on the issue of the INDIVIDUAL MANDATE

    ie, that'd be BEFORE the elections of 2012

    especially if the individualistic and principled independent is completely free to vote his conscience, with no concern for reelection

    and remember, if the MANDATE is indeed ambushed, the entire obamacare unravels

    fyi

    try to anticipate moves ahead

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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Sen. Kent Conrad’s decision to pass on a shot at a fifth term in North Dakota Tuesday gives a serious boost to Republicans’ chances of regaining the Senate majority in 2012, even though the election is a full 22 months away.

    At this early vantage point, North Dakota joins six other states that appear to be toss-ups at best for the Democrats — and the GOP needs to snag only four seats to win control.

    “They’re in the catbird’s seat right now. The numbers favor them. I think if you’re a Republican you like your chances. They’d have to see a substantial collapse to not gain seats in the next election,” said David DiMartino, who worked at the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee during the 2000 cycle.

    Conrad’s decision immediately places the party on defense in another red-leaning state where emboldened Republicans appear positioned for a takeover. It also adds North Dakota to the list of tough anticipated races in Virginia, Montana, Missouri, Nebraska, Florida and Ohio.

    “That’s a pickup,” declared GOP operative Chris LaCivita, who served as political director for the National Republican Senatorial Committee last cycle. “Whoever the Democrats snooker into running for that seat is going to have a hell of a time raising money because the conventional wisdom is they don’t have a chance.”

    Conrad’s announcement marks the first retirement among Senate Democrats of the cycle — but it’s far from clear if it will be the last.

    Shortly after Conrad’s bombshell, Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman — an independent who caucuses with Democrats — said he would reveal his 2012 intentions in Stamford Wednesday, and sources says he is unlikely to run.

    If Lieberman steps aside, the Nutmeg State could actually become a bright spot for Democrats, enhancing their chances at retaining the seat. On the other hand, a three-way race with Lieberman as an independent could split Democrats and allow a Republican to be competitive.

    In addition to Lieberman, the reelection plans of at least a five of the 23 Democrats who face voters next year remain up in the air, potentially creating an even wider-than-anticipated playing field for the resurgent GOP.

    Virginia Sen. Jim Webb has done little to indicate he’s readying for a second term, Nebraska Sen. Ben Nelson has said he’s “on course” to run, but has made no final decision and New Mexico’s Jeff Bingaman has not yet made up his mind on a sixth Senate campaign.

    Wisconsin Sen. Herb Kohl has made no commitment to a 2012 contest. And while Hawaii’s junior senator, Daniel Akaka, has indicated he wants to pursue a fourth term, there’s ample speculation about whether a challenge from former Gov. Linda Lingle could force him into retirement.

    Furthermore, in the 10 states where Republicans are defending seats in 2012, Barack Obama only carried three of them during the 2008 presidential campaign — Maine, Nevada and Massachusetts.

    The Democrats’ best opportunity to go on offense appears to be in the Bay State. But even there, Public Policy Polling pegged Sen. Scott Brown’s approval rating at an impressive 53 percent just last month.

    And in Texas, where Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison is planning to step down, the long list of GOP replacements all hold double-digit leads over any Democrat, according to PPP.

    One North Dakota Democrat who has been long steeped in party politics said the fundamental question will be how to fund competitive candidates in races for governor, House and Senate. “I don’t know how it is done,” said the Democratic operative.

    Fundraising could be another disturbing harbinger for Democrats on defense: Very few vulnerable incumbents have amassed a war chest that would scare away a GOP challenger.

    Webb, who won his 2006 race by fewer than 10,000 votes, has stockpiled just $470,000 in the bank if he chooses to run. Republican Rep. Denny Rehberg, who is mulling a Senate bid in Montana, has more cash on hand than Sen. Jon Tester, according to the most recent public campaign finance reports.

    Beyond the most appealing battlegrounds, Republican operatives point out that GOP gains in states like Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania last cycle could metastasize as a presidential campaign develops.

    “They have 23 seats, they’re going to have to write some off. And if they say anything else, they’re full of crap,” said LaCivita referring to the DSCC.
    Conrad retirement boosts GOP Senate majority hopes - David Catanese - POLITICO.com

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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    6 states join suit against health reform - Jennifer Haberkorn - POLITICO.com

    OH, IA, KS, WY, WI and ME make twenty six

    obamacare is one judge's ruling away from coming apart

    ie, THE MANDATE

    seeya in committee, comrades, in the courts, in the capitols...

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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    6 states join suit against health reform - Jennifer Haberkorn - POLITICO.com

    OH, IA, KS, WY, WI and ME make twenty six

    obamacare is one judge's ruling away from coming apart

    ie, THE MANDATE

    seeya in committee, comrades, in the courts, in the capitols...
    Isn't it interesting that "liberals/progressives" support personal choice except when it comes to personal responsibility and then that responsibility always rests with someone else paying for it?

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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    There's not a single successfull story that I can think of which would prove you correct on your assumption that our fellow citizens will assist each other sufficiently.
    That is utterly laughable.
    Our fellow citizens assisted each other to settle the west. It was cooperation not coercion that helped grow this this nation.
    People did just fine without that Ho Pimp'in Mother Dearest DC. There was a time when people were ashamed to get government handouts.
    Now people actually elect people with the idea they will steal from others on their behalf!

    Welfare - it's like a drug. . .the more you give - the more they 'need' - the more they 'need' - the less successful you will be at weening them off. . . enact the 12 step program (so to say) and make a slow process and maybe there's be a few who can become self-sufficient.
    Welfare Reform... the one Clinton claimed he would never sign and took credit for 10-years later as a huge success illustrates we did not need a government sanctioned 12-step system.

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    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    That is utterly laughable.
    Our fellow citizens assisted each other to settle the west. It was cooperation not coercion that helped grow this this nation.
    People did just fine without that Ho Pimp'in Mother Dearest DC. There was a time when people were ashamed to get government handouts.
    Now people actually elect people with the idea they will steal from others on their behalf!

    Welfare Reform... the one Clinton claimed he would never sign and took credit for 10-years later as a huge success illustrates we did not need a government sanctioned 12-step system.

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    The thread topic here mentiones Obama victories. Wonder how anyone can claim that with the actual results we have today that there were actual victories that benefited the American people? How many believe 3.5 trillion added to the debt and 4 million more unemployed is a victory for the American people?

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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Nearly two-thirds of U.S. doctors surveyed fear healthcare reform could worsen care for patients, by flooding their offices and hurting income, according to a Thomson Reuters survey released Tuesday.

    The survey of more than 2,900 doctors found many predict the legislation will force them to work harder for less money.

    "When asked about the quality of healthcare in the U.S. over the next five years, 65 percent of the doctors believed it would deteriorate with only 18 percent predicting it would improve," Thomson Reuters, parent company of Reuters, said in a statement.

    When asked where most of these newly insured people would get care, 55 percent of the doctors said a nurse practitioner or physician assistant would provide care.

    As for patients, 57 percent of doctors predicted the impact of the changes will be negative, 27 percent said they would be positive and 15 percent forecast a neutral effect.
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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The thread topic here mentiones Obama victories. Wonder how anyone can claim that with the actual results we have today that there were actual victories that benefited the American people? How many believe 3.5 trillion added to the debt and 4 million more unemployed is a victory for the American people?
    There was no effective way to prevent either of those things. One of the requirements of a win-lose scenario is that victory has to be a possibility.
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